Hey…
I have had 4 Lucid Dreams, but all of them were dream initiated. I want to start LD from being awake (WILD/WBTB/DEILD), because peoples say LD’s are much move vivid then. I don’t really understand the part between sleep paralysis and a dream. Tutorials are saying - Roll your dream body into a dream, fall thought your bed in a dream and so on… I don’t understand… HOW? Should I imagine it and then open my eyes or… what?
Please help, thanks.
By the way, which one is better? WBTB or DEILD? DEILD seems to be more easy.
Actually I never rolled, fell or did something else to get into a dream. I simply wait and watch the sights I see. After some time in sleep paralysis I start seeing some HH, and after that you just simply find yourself in a dream scene. Actually, trying to move or actively do something while in SP is a bad idea, since it might signal your body that you are not asleep, thus waking you up. I prefer to lie still with an empty mind.
Regarding your question about DEILD and WBTB, I must say that WBTB should ideally be used together with another technique like MILD or WILD. DEILD doesn’t require WBTB. I usually do DEILD when I find myself in SP just after the dream has finished. DEILD is pretty easy to do, although in my case it requires some luck, since I need to wake up while in SP state. However, SP is not mandatory, it just shortens the proccess.
I would advice not to physically trying to roll over or sink into bed but try with imagining the sensation of rolling over or sinking into bed. And that should do…
Hi, Lauris. I think this transition step is the most vaguely explained part of any WILD-tutorial. All of them pretty much say, “Step into the dream.” and seem to presume that you’ll know instinctively what to do…and I guess that’s true to an extent. Personally I don’t see any HI/HH so I could never really understand the instructions to focus on that until it’s vivid enough.
I will explain the best I can what it’s like for me, but of course your experience may be different.
Only once (in my short experience) have I tried to WILD and just popped up in a dream with no transition. For me, it starts with SP. Once I feel the SP, I roll with it–meaning I just lay there, I relax and let it overtake me. Sometimes I feel my hearing external hearing shut off. Once I saw a flash like a camera. I don’t try to roll, climb rope…none of that…but in my head I’m cheering “Yay…woohoo…here we go!!!”
While the SP is occuring, lately I feel like I’m falling backwards/downwards (although my stomach doesn’t drop like IRL) or it feels like someone is pulling me out of my body by my legs. When all the sensations quiet, I open my “eyes” and I’m there.
So, I tried WILD today.
After sleeping about 40 minutes on back, I started to feel really… weird. Head felt like its 1cm^3 big and body 10km^3 big and so on. However, after some time, I sudsenly realized that I’m not sleeping on my back, but on my chest. I thought that it’s a effect of SP. Continued sleeping. Suddenly someone started to really strongly brushing my back, I even felt like im moving in my bed cuz of that. I staid calm. After 30 seconds, it stopped. And after 10 seconds - it started again. And so like 5 times. Then everything stopped and SP went away (I didnt feel it). That’s where I thought Im in a dream. I stood up and did 4 reality checks (Digital clock, book reading, counting fingers/looking at hands and beathing with nose closed), all RC failed. I really didn’t know what happene and what I did wrong. Can someone explain?
From my experience, when you start to feel those body sensations then it’s a good time to make a transition. You did what usually people do, you waited for something to happened instead off inducing something to happen if you know what I mean.
Some dreamers can do WILD just by waiting and observing HH that became a dream but some like me, we need to make a transition from waking state into a dream state… How I do it is how I explained it before, rolling over, sinking into bed or levitating and do those only with the imagining the sensation not actually trying to do it physically.
Also the best way for me to make a transition is when I feel those specific body sensations I let myself consciously fall asleep, at the end that’s what you actually need to do to dream, you need to fall asleep only difference is that I do it consciously when decide to fall asleep, but when doing it with other ways then I believe that we do fall asleep but not conscious of the process of falling asleep…
It sounds like youre close. Maybe after the first round or two of brushing you felt, you should have done an RC. You just have to figure out what works for you, but it sounds like your practically there.
I have sort of done WILD a couple times. Kind of. I wake up in the middle of the night and don’t move or open my eyes. I think I did open my eyes once and was still successful when I tried. When I do it, it’s just like doing a DEILD, but I use WILD techniques to enter the dream. I think I’m already in SP when I awaken, so I just start counting 1… I am dreaming, 2… I am dreaming, etc. I feel the HH and know I’m successful at starting WILD. After about half a minute to a minute, I just begin to see my bedroom without opening my eyes. I notice that I can see although my eyes are closed and that the HH are gone, so I realize I’ve entered the dream. I then just get up and do my RC’s. Don’t open your eyes. When you feel the HH or HI, just try to enjoy the process and hopefully you will just see the dream environment. Then you can just get up and move around.
So I tred LD-WILD again… Used some other tutorial, not one found here…
It said that I have to use back-sleeping only for relaxation, because sleeping in that position is almost impossible. So I relaxed about 20-30 minutes while sleeping on my back with hands on sides (like usual LD position), after I felt that I lost the connection to my body (didnt feel it), I moved to my regural sleep position and began imagining my dream scene. Short moment after, I was thinking of some youtube video I saw, where they were testing the stability of some car. I were watching it in my mind and suddenly everything started to shake. I looked around and understood that im in a car and there’s no driver. I got out of the car (while it was driving) and I were helding at the door… Because of my pressure, suddenly doors copied into two doors (like a train, both was same). Short moment later, doors copied into 3 doors (hard to explain how it looked like). So i left the doors and felt on the road. Right after I stopped, I checked the reality check (breathing method) and I could breath thru my hand. But right after that, I lost the dream, everything started to blure out and I felt like drunk. I started to touch everything but did not succeed and woke into my bed. I stood up, wanted to write down my dream but then remembered, there are false awakenings. DId reality check again and it succeeded, I was dreaming. And again, everything blured and I woke up again… And again, did reality check and it was a dream, again everything went away but this time I woke up 4 real… I did not felt really over excited (I’ve been in LD before), I did the touching method… Why did it go away?
ps. I set up a high sensitive microphone to record myself during LD. When I was in LD, i was breathing really heavily, loud.
pss. I was 100% sure I’m in a dream before a reality check, but why did I lost the dream right after the RC? Maybe I should not do RC at all when im sure im dreaming?
Everyone reacts to the dream state differently and everyone has a different mind. Perhaps that reality check just isn’t the one for you. try stabilizing the dream in different ways like by rubbing your hands together or by spinning. It sounds like you weren’t rooted into the dream and you were losing it. I think that your subconscious reaction to the reality check brought just enough emotion into the situation to topple the dream. Strong emotions like shock or excitement and dreams do not mix well. You can even try different reality checks too like looking at your hands or trying to see through closed eyes. Wild is a very challenging technique, Congratulations on having come so far!
I wanted to check if what I’m usually experiencing is really a SP. When the weird sound came, I tried to move and I could not move, but I woke up after 10 seconds.
I have a question… Why SP is that calm for me? Why don’t I experience HH? Why don’t I see the dream, but I have the feeling that Im dreaming and I know what im dreaming about, I could also affect the dream, even thought I don’t see it and hear it? Everything I have in SP is some rushing noise, thats all…
Well, you have to be sure what you actually see, whether is a dream or HH. Because if it was a dream then you weren’t able to move and you say that you “woke up” after 10 seconds, so I assume that it was already a dream but maybe wasn’t it’s very hard to say…
I usually don’t experience HH while getting toward SP, I only feel body sensations… Why, I don’t know for sure but my opinion is that we don’t experienced it because we don’t expect it, if we would “force” to see something I think we would experience images, if we force to hear something we would, I personally “force” body sensations because I know that they work for me and they are my cue for letting myself to fall asleep consciously…
! Will try to do WBTB/WILD tonight…
