graphic chart thanks to https://www.saltcube.com
Cool chart. Judging by this I was about a third of the way there this afternoon. 
Wow,Never knew I was so close to an OBE before.
I am close to.
Ok for a moment, try this. Change in this chart the following stuff:
“Nearly exited” -> Nearly (lucid) dreaming
“Exiting” -> Starting to (lucid) dream
“Exited” -> Fully (lucid) dreaming
And where you spot “OBE”, change this into “LD”.
Now read it again, and you will notice that the chart still holds exactly true.
My point is of course, these so called OBE’s are, according to this scheme, the exact same as LD’s induced from WILD. This makes one wonder if an OBE as a phenmenon is so different from a LD at all.
I don’t really believe that an OBE induced when waking up or falling asleep is an OBE at all, just a dream, though very vivid and perhaps telepathic in some instances, but nevertheless, they are interesting experiences.
I think that the OBE where your going about your day or somethng and all of a sudden find yourself outside your body is more deserving of the name OBE, if it even is an OBE anyway.
from all that i read I was quite sceptic about the whole OBE thing, cause it really sounded like it was a very high level lucid dream. And the entire idea that you actually left your body? why thats stupid…i mean how can you prove such a thing, it just sounded to make so much more sense if it was all in your head. i was quite sure of this…until i had a OBE myself…and from that morning my perception of the world changed slightly…for me, OBE’s are very real and there is no other way to find out then have one.
great chart by the way!
Tell that to them(saltcube.com) to change it,don’t point at me, i didn’t made the chart at all i just did the favor to post it here.
And btw read “mindexplore”'s last post in this topic and think about it…
Thanks,yeah i think like you,you can’t say OBEs aren’t real until you have one, even though i haven’t had a “real” OBE experience yet (just when i come back to my body).
There are plenty of people who have OBE’s and still believe them to just be dreams…
Anyways, I remember one test people tried using to prove OBE’s were real…
They’d get a pack of cards and pick one of them randomly and (without looking at it) placing it somewhere in their bedroom upside down.
During the OBE, they’d then go over to the card, turn it over, look at it and memorize what it was (eg. Ace of Spades).
When they returned to their body, they’d turn over the real card and see if it was the same.
Every time it was exactly the same as the one in the OBE 
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… wait, did I say exactly the same? I meant completely different. My bad 
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(yes, I enjoy messing with your heads )
Cranberry I did not point at you, and there is no need to make this something personal as I did not intend that at all. With “try this” I meant to say, “anyone try this”, and not “cranberry try this”. Besides that, I merely meant to point out that OBE’s induced from sleep/trance (WILD) are the same as LD’s. And yes, I have had this type of OBE several times, with all the whistles and bells that accompagny them. And yet after these experiences, which I might say are pretty amazing, even groundshaking, I still believe that this phenomenon happens without anything being really out of body (if you would define OBE as, a spirit or essense roaming free from the mortal coil). Also, my point of view does not mean that I think OBE’s to be not “real” in any way as some of you might claim, I just try to explain it in a different way (a way which many people dont like, I might add…) Anyway, if you might be interested I wrote a lenghty article on this topic with the help of some other experienced people.
I agree that It is strange how WILD and OBE seem to be so alike. I have WILD’ed but, never had an OBE yet, the method of inducing both is almost identical. I do try to keep an open mind about this and those who describe what an OBE is like it does not sound like a lucid dream. They describe an environment where they can not change things and it is a mirror of their waking life environment. Also, while they can fly (though most seem to describe it as floating and not flying)and pass through walls and such, they can’t seem to utilize other dream powers. Are OBE just low level lucid dreams? People who WILD and people who OBE start off on the same road yet appear to end up at different destination. How do you change from one to the other?
Xetrov sorry for any offense, i misread and thought that you didn’t believe OBE were real, sorry…but i know what you’re trying say so let’s keep it cool and not personal next time.
Ciao!
Thing is no one knows about our minds possibilities.You could have ld and still be able to see what cards are there on the shelf.It would have been classified as Oobe as well.
Matters not.Everytime youre concious when youre sleeping just explore,look for answers do what suits cuz trying to classify it is just taking ones time,leading to no answer.
Enjoy every succesfull time out and the puzzle will solve itslef in right time.
take care
I agree with Jack. Besides that, the difference between OBE and LD seems to be one of personal perception. If you dream of an environment which seems more or less alien, where you can change stuff, and where you can use “dream powers”, its a LD. If the environment looks 100% like waking life, and you can’t change stuff nor use dream powers, it is called OBE. But I have come to experience that in a LD, your mind has extreme increadible abilities to mimic waking life (and this really amazes me EVERY time, and i’m pretty sure I’m not having an OBE at those times), and that when you think you are in an OBE, all the qualities that go with it are included in the experience automatically (so, by thinking it is an OBE, it wont look like an average LD anymore in your definition, while in reality they might be the same experiences). Just some food for thought…
That is why it is so hard to prove (one way or the other)the OBE is WILD debate. The dream world is strongly influenced by our expectations. So, if you WILD but believe you are having a OBE then you will likely to end up in an environment that is identical to real life and will have few if any dream powers.
Exactly Milod. In the face of this simple knowledge it beats me that there are still people holding on to claiming they had an OBE. If they do, then by all definitions, an OBE is the same as a LD, and then why not just call it LD? So after all, the chart cranberrydude provided us with is still usefull, it just has to be renamed “How To Tell How Close You Are To A LD by doing WILD”. This is a question many people like to get answers to, noticing the many threats on the forum asking about WILD.
Ofcourse, there are OBEs which seem to happen spontaniously during the day when we go about normal tasks like walking, or giving a speach or performing.
‘OBEs’ really should be split up into different types, then it would be easier to prove or disprove whether you actually leave your body or not.
Yeah I know of those OBE cases, but even those can be explained without the need for a “leave your body” process (even if you accept a duality of body/spirit). Open minded investigation, prudence in labelling and clear logical reasoning would be required to settle this issue. And I agree a split up in different types of OBE would be beneficiary (like, splitting NDE’s from sleep/trance induced OBE’s).
This is a topic on being close to an OBE, so I just post my experience and question here 
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Last night before I went to sleep, I tried to induce an OBE. For the first time to be exact. I laid down on my bed in total darkness and started with a relaxation technique: suggesting that each bodypart is relaxed, starting from the bottom (feet) to the top (head). This worked out quite well; after the relaxation I didn’t feel my body anymore. Then I started to focus on the inside of my head and after a while a monotone sound (some sort of peep) appeared in my brain. For a couple of minutes nothing more happened, but I kept focussed.
Suddenly the noise became louder and louder and it sounded more and more variated. I became scared and started to sweat and my heartbeat went up. I quickly opened my eyes and turned on the light as to quit the process.
Could this have been the beginning of an OBE?