i was wondering

is it possible to WILD without WBTB first?

yes it is but it is much more difficult
it is easier with WBTB

I’ve managed to WILD when waking up in the middle of the night or in the morning. I didn’t move at all after waking up, and I wasn’t tired either. So I just waited for a while until I got SP or HI. But it’s rare to get it just right :sad: I’m usually a bit too tired or I want to write down my dreams, so…

i cannot WILD without being tired after doing WBTB… so i dont think its possible… for me anyways

As moogle says, it’s possible. WBTB just increases your chances to have a LD. I don’t use WBTB and I’ve a LD about once per week. When I was using WBTB, I have had slightly better results.

yes it is :smile:

Yes you can. There are people on this forum alone who do it all the time! You will have to have more patients and practice a lot but, if you stay with it you will succeed!

really, i mean will i notice the time it takes to get to my fist REM