idea about creating alternate universes

Beyond Dreaming
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what if in your dreams you start building a new reality, one VERY VERY SIMILAR to your own, so much so that they are almost indstinguishable with one or two major differences.

let’s say when you get lucid, you give yourself an FA, you build up your room, you build it up to the best of your ability to look like your room…

then, you go to school, but instead of going to your normal classes, you go to another class, and instead of hanging out with the same people, you create a new person, a new friend, and each time you dream, you start going back to this life, this dream reality, and you always sit back and remember all the things you have done in this dream life, and pretty soon it starts to feel like a definite reality, rather than just a string of random dreams, now all your dreams are just as real as real life, you are living two different lives.

then, what if, when you have this new, similar reality built up…

what if you could stay? What if you chose which reality to inhabit? Granted, once you made the switch, it would be like the dream is now RL, and RL is now the dream… but…

what if the only thing that keeps us from staying permanently in our dreams and adapting a new identity, is… the belief that dreams are meaningless nonsense?

We never have another life in our dreams, sure we have recurring dreams, and familiar scenes, but there are a lot of LOOPS and intricacies missing… small details that keep the dream reality from meshing together in your memories the same way real life does.

if for the past 2 weeks you had been living two different lives, each with a good level of continuity and realism, what’s not to say that the dream life could become real if stabilized long enough, so real that you no longer have to wake up, you enter it, it is your universe, and it is no longer subjective… these people are now real?

far out, i know… what if you did what the butterfly effect did, what if you went back to childhood and started a new life from scratch, living each day in succession in each dream, until it became so real that you could never wake up, and you’d have a new reality?

i don’t know… it’s just a thought, it’d be like, i don’t know, it would have to mean dreams don’t exist just in the mind, it would imply that there are paralell universes, and that you can travel through them in sleep, and even change residency in them.[/img]

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wow. that’s defenitly something to think about,
because if you just think about it quickly, you would automatically say that it isn’t possible, but if you take a while, and truly think about it, I would think it possible to achieve this state of mind.
hmm, guess it’s just one more thing to think about.

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Interesting ideas. But what about the dreamsigns and the unstability?
There seems to be different laws in a dream and they don’t depend on the continuity of events I think.
What about your super abalities?
Would they be the same or would you loose them?
If you could live in a world where you had such abalities what would you do?
Isn’t lucid crossroads is an effort like that?
And what if you started to “lucid construct” the world you had come from :smile: ?
Could you have a chance to come back?
Anyway, interesting but I admit that it is also fearful to me.

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yeah i don’t think it would be something that i would necessarily try, but i’d think once you become a permanent resident you are no longer a “God” and no longer have super powers.

it’d be like, assuming there is a God, like if he came down on earth to live here, he’s no longer God, he’s experiencing himself subjectively, kind of like a one mind type idea.

when you’re just dreaming, you are never really a “resident” in the dream scape, existing somewhere else, you can exert any kind of change you want, but once you become a permanent lodger it’d sort of maybe make sense for your “lucidity” (in the sense that you have special powers) to go away, though, if done right you would fully know that this is a different universe from your birth universe.

hmmm… and i don’t know about instability, i mean, if this was a new universe that only existed because you made it, it would have your normal dream flaws, but if it existed in objective reality, and instead of “Making it” it’s more like you’re TUNING IN, then maybe…

it’d be like if you change a life event, it’s not so much that you are “making” a new one, it’s that you are tunning into a universe where that event that you “made” already happened and is normal anyway, because if you think about it, DCs don’t notice all the crazy stuff you do unless you want them to, they just go on about their business.

hmm.

if this were true it would have disturbing implications upon the actions that you take while dreaming though… i.e. you blow up a city, well, you’ve really just killed real people, in a sense.

i would think though that for the most part 90% or more of our LDs would be mainly in our minds, I mean, this would be to assume that there could be tangible worlds we can access… but it’d also be like if you kept visiting and recreating a dreamscape each night, it would go from fake to real over time, and take residence in the “astral” sort of like the lucid crossroads idea.

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I don’t think I could leave the past behind…when it keeps finding ways to get you your heart, it reaches way down deep and tears you inside out till oyur torn aprat RENT and now that I’m done singing, no I really couldent.

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Only think that keeps me away from staying in my dreams for good is this annoying waking up thing.

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I have seriously thought about creating such dreamscape in my LD’s where i can come back when i want and to reside there. IMO, it will be more stable if you will create it in some place you have been for long IRL, because then the stuff in your life is not that unstabile, because you have strong memories how the things were located there IRL, and it helps you to see things in their place again and again during many LD’s.

During my next LD’s i try to hang around more in my childhood home. I plan to walk and chat with my dog, and talk with my dad (both are dead IRL). I plan slightly to modify my garden, etc. Then i will look on, what’s next.

For me there is no problem is my RL “real”, or is my LD landscapes “fake” (as the products of my mind). It does not disturb me at all, because the most important thing for me is how they influence my emotions, and the development of my personality. If i’m happy and satisfied in my LD dreamscapes and i can bring something good back into my RL, then they are as real as those experiences what i experience with my physical body during waking life :wink:

Edit: i also remembered that i have had few dreamscapes that start from RL places, but end up totally different than they are IRL. And i have had many ND’s happening in those places. So our mind can create pretty stable dreamscapes anyway, and we can get some advantage of it when planning our LD dreamscapes IMO.

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what a kickass idea… it raises so many differnt thoughts…

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i’ve been thinking about that…i have some different ideas but if you’re right…oe day we all just might WAKE UP as someone else and remember stuff.

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yes, ive been wroking on creating a set-designated dreamscape. its hard, nothing ever really the same, its just those little things. hwoever, tahts the point, things are supposed to change, taht how you want them. if you wanted it bad enough, if you really wanted to be somewhere else, it would be relatively easy to creat a “concrete” dreamscape, and stay there. When i work on mine to be more than just a room, ill let all of you know.