Is Hell expanding?

[Ego_Tripping]

@Lebowsk1

Very true! Spiritual ‘truths’, when forced into language, often come across as these kind of paradoxical-yet-logical statements (“the only constant is change”).
And you are also right about eternity. People expect that once they die they can live forever and be in eternity… the reply to which being “well where exactly do you think you are now?!”

Word!! People think “eternity” and “forever” are “long” periods of time and so long that they never end…living in a 3D world thats based on the fallacy of a “day”, this seems impossible. But were are trying to quantify something ETERNAL. Eternity cannot be easily explained, and just like emotion, color, and sound, it must be felt to be understood. I have experienced Eternity and it’s not only pure bliss…but I know it’s my true existance, not this illusion of Time.

Another good way to illustrate this on a different scale is to think of the earth’s orbit. So not only is the keyboard moving on the atomic level, it is also travelling through space at 12 and a half miles per second! It isnt still in any sense of the word.

GREAT example, thank you! That set my morning off as I sit here at work realizing this fact…

The Flaming Lips have a lyric from the song Do You Realize that says something similiar…

“Do You Realize - that you have the most beautiful face
Do You Realize - we’re floating in space -
Do You Realize - that happiness makes you cry
Do You Realize - that everyone you know someday will die”

YET… there is an illusion of some kind of stillness. The keyboard IS in front of me on the desk, it DOES look pretty still…
I think this kind of stability is what you get when you mix the changeless and the ever-changing. The fact that the universe is coherent suggests to me a very fine balancing act.

Basically it’s something that we must admit but refuse to most of the time; that something is going on RIGHT in front of our faces, but we still cannot see or experience it! This is an idea that IMO, is completely life-changing. To basically accept something without any immediate tangible proof of it’s existance. What do we call that belief? Faith. Any Evolutionist, Atheist or Scientist needs it just as much as the Christian, Buddhist or Muslim.

The me that I was last week is already ‘dead’. In fact, the me I was a second ago is already ‘dead’. If I try to locate this ‘me’ I can’t find it. And yet there SEEMS to be a continuous me, just as there SEEMS to be a continuous keyboard… I think it depends how deeply you look into these things and therefore how you define yourself.

‘Dead’ or ‘Eternal’? I simply think every moment that passes is being “recorded” for playback later…all my distant memories that I have aren’t in my Brain, there are in my Soul, attatched to the Source which holds the other infinite moments of experience. Yet, despite the vastness of Existance, this is still MY moment. Every second, emotion, sound and sight is mine and mine alone…it’s simply what I do with this moment that determines my self. There IS an individuality to myself, despite the fact that I am still One. Is it a paradox? Of course, how can we have individual unity? But it’s not supposed to make sense to a feeble 3 Dimensional mind.

So do I choose to pass this miracle of existance off as a random accident, of which I am just swirving around and occasionally hitting the mark…or accept this moment as perfection, to exchange a mutual understanding with it (love) and take control of my path?

We all feel comfortable one way or another…I choose the latter to fufill this life though.

[Miribob]

@milod789

when you look closely you will see that they all have their roots in Christian beliefs.

go back to sunday school. Christianity is a fairly young religion, based off Judaism. Islam is also based off Judaism. Christianity has little to do with it(In the Koran, Jesus is referred to as a minor prophet). There were hundreds of religeons before Jesus was ever born. I bet you’ve never even read the bible.

[jaems]

@milod789

Well it seems to me that you are making an incorrect assumption that all the religions are different but when you look closely you will see that they all have their roots in Christian beliefs. It does not matter if they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Protestant, Catholic etc. They may differ on how they practice or how they interpret their “gods” laws but, they are all referring to the same god. Just my opinion anyway. If you ask me. I say that they are all wrong.

What basis do you have to claim all religions are based on Christianity? Judiasm precedes Christianity by a couple thousand years. Christianity quite obviously has its roots in Judiasm, which has its roots in various polytheistic religions of the time, which have their roots in… the imagination of mankind. Let’s not even get into religions that are completely unrelated to the Judaio-Christian-Islamic orgy.

Sorry to derail the topic. Hell can’t be expanding or contracting because the vatican declared hell doesn’t actually exist.

[Edit: Damn, you guys are fast!]

[Lebowsk1]

Ego Tripping Said:

‘Dead’ or ‘Eternal’? I simply think every moment that passes is being “recorded” for playback later…all my distant memories that I have aren’t in my Brain, there are in my Soul, attatched to the Source which holds the other infinite moments of experience.

Yeah true. Interestingly the last deathbed words of my neighbours husband were “it’s all on tape”, suggesting he was viewing some kind of playback of events…

Also the Dead vs Eternal… I would say Dead = Eternal. This from a Madlib + Sunra track ‘Shadows of the Future’:

“Yesterday is eternity, the eternity of yesterday is dead
Yesterday is as one, the eternity of one is the eternity of the past
Yesterday belongs to the dead, tomorrow belongs to the living
The past is certified as the finished product, anything which is ended is finished
That which is perfect is finished, the perfect man is no exception to the rule”

[Kava]

I only beleive in the hell I create. I dont think there is a place where you burn for ever, I mean what would come of that. Come on… You baptists preacher can go to the hell you create.

[AstareGod]

same here… i experienced my own personal hell four years ago, but i’m all over it now and i realize that what i experienced wasn’t all bad, it was in fact good for my maturing and growing up. and no-one can send anyone to hell except themselves. it is a horrible place to go (suffering, depression) but it’s all in our minds and we can snap out of it as soon as we realize we’re all connected and things happen for a reason. step back and take a good look at the big picture.

as someone said in a movie i really like: “ever read the sunday comics? i used to put my face up to them and i was just amazed because it was this mass of dots. i think life is like that. I like to think from God’s perspective, life, everything, makes sense. it’s not just dots. instead we’re all connected. and it’s beautiful, and it’s funny, and it’s good. if we look at them up close, we can’t expect them make sense now.”

i really love that movie

[Lebowsk1]

That’s a great quote! Do you know the name of that film? My philosophy class are thinking of starting a Philosophical Film Society and that kind of thing would be perfect.

[AstareGod]

the movie is called “Latter Days”. it’s about a mormon missionary coming to terms with his homosexuality and meeting up with a gay tenant in the same apartment complex while he and three other missionaries are stationed in los angeles. he and the other gay tenant (played by steven sandvoss and wes ramsey) help each other to grow into better people.

the movie has a great storyline and pulls surprises at every corner. i saw a screening version of it and just bought the dvd. i highly recommend it.