law of attraction, law of opulence, principle of expression,

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Moved to The Lounge :ysim:
within these ideas are countless money handlers trying to profit and gain but there is a core principle of utmost truth and simplicity in taking responsibility for how we think and how those thoughts influence our lives

QUESTION : do you know a good forum dedicated to this ?
I find one I like a lot but I’ve been banned at least 4 times now, for stating very simple truths and helping people, I can only conclude they have some sort of agenda that is not honest and does not like to hear particular angles of truthful observation , however, i don’t mind, and would continue posting there,yet re-registering is getting to be redundant and perhaps there is another place i am welcome

i do not know what such a place is, none of you really think about this very much.

what i hope for is a centralized network of truth telling and honesty which allows free expression of new ideas , for the entire world to hear, for we have been under the tyrant grip of certain l,limiting belief mindsets that are harmful, right down to the way we are taught about “healthy eating” which is only just starting to become aware that we meant to be raw food eaters, and every disease a civil,ized person faces is a result primarily of wrong diet ,

and , etc, etc, etc, etc, and the internet is the best there seems to be for this, and that forum was very good because it had a lot of members, but , i don’t know , if i keep going there it appears i wil keep getting banned ?

This forum just doesn’t quite work the way I am looking.

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Try writing an e-book! Hey… you can even ask for small donations if you are conscious about ‘selling’ things.

You will then have to market your book - but there is lots of information on the net about that.

In order to be in the game and start breaking the rules you have to know what the rules are.

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i don’t want to write about something i haven’t mastered, that’s what makes this such a hard place to find pure information , although not very hard .

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Maybe it has to do with the fact you are assuming your particular views and beliefs to be some form of objective truth? Such a viewpoint is not likely to lead to positive interaction, and most people will see your ‘helping’ as being preaching… which it would be.

I don’t think I need to explain why a person who came on a forum preaching at every given moment, would make that forum a less enjoyable place. The ironic thing is, from what I can see, you are the one with an agenda in this case. You are the one who wants to change peoples views, to convert and preach to them. You want to do so with the best intentions, but so does every missionary. (They all believe they are genuinely helping people. They wouldn’t commit their lives to it otherwise.) Also some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions. The people who ban you are giving a simple and straightforward message, we don’t want to hear your preaching. Not respecting that is in my opinion not a good thing. You are causing conflict by doing so.

If you want to preach somewhere and not find yourself banned, the only place you are likely to find that, is a forum run by, and where the majority of members share your belief, or a forum designed for and centred around such things. The people there don’t need your help? Then that is interchangeable with, “The people there are already converted.”

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Real life has a little more shades than the picture Dragon painted. For one, there are boards like the Cloud, where you can pitch your worldview as long as you’re able to cherish other people’s. But I tend to agree with Dragon in principle. People will ban you if, from their point of view, you’re the one with an agenda.

Each forum will have its criterion and sometimes it’s not very clear to most people what they are. Take LD4all for example. We have a tight knit community here and many of us think of ourselves as actual friends—but any of us will get banned if they get in the way between LD4all and spreading the word about Lucid Dreaming to any and all. And it’s perfectly understandable. When I feel like saying something that could upset an LD4all underage member’s parents, that could risk LD4all of legal or moral questioning (like linking to the download of copyrighted material, which in many cases is legal where I live, but not worldwide) etc., I do so out of LD4all. Not simply because that keeps me from getting banned, that would be stupid reasoning, but because that keeps LD4all the way it is, and because that’s what made it possible back then for me to be an underage member and not have to care.

Same with every other community. You should get their feel, and if they welcome a certain degree of preaching and whatnot, you should make sure your opinion is welcome, non-intrusive, felt as somthing friendly. Like here in LD4all: your posting in the Cloud is most welcome, whereas if you wrote the same posts on someone’s dream journal addressing their dreams, that member could quite possibly get upset and complain to the moderation (which is why we have in the guidelines a best practice of never trying to convert people to your belief system).

There’s no hidden agenda, there’s only how people feel and what they do to keep their community the way they like it. :wink: That being said, I do think you should consider the e-book idea with love. Once again, LD4all comes for the help if you ever need assistance with typesetting and editing it, we can help you put it up on Lulu for sale and free downloads. Then some of us would be glad to read it and give you input, and we’d be able to discuss its main ideas in the Cloud. If it were to be freely available, you could even negotiate with the moderators a couple instances where you could link directly to its download area without their enforcing the no spam guideline.

But if you feel that for that you have to learn more and more and more, then I think you should be a little bit more dissatisfied with yourself right now. Purity of intent: set your mind to getting the full picture of what you want to write about. Learn it for yourself, experiment with it, undo every knot and see how the whole thing is sewn together. Don’t stop until you have it. Then, write your book. Maybe that’s your Next Big Thing in life, and here you are complaining about a bunch of nicknames that had you banned, when you could be researching and experimenting for your book, in order to advance and perfect your beliefs! :smile:

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I agree, I was perhaps a little over-simplistic.

Really everyone has an agenda, not wanting people to be allowed to preach somewhere is as much an agenda as wanting to be able to preach. On the same hand though, my point and issue was more about being the one to take your agenda and attempt to force it somewhere. To me that makes somebody the one with an agenda. Also, yeah, not as simple as, your agenda is forbidden here, or your agenda is ok here; it depends on context.

I’ve experienced wanting something that was “against the rules” myself. I respectfully explained my point and awaited the owners’ decision. Had it not gone in my favour, I would have decided, either comply or leave. I see the ability of a place to be created, and have an agenda laid down by the founder/s, which others who agree collect around, is the only real way free-speech can exist. If you disagree with the principles laid down, I implore you to make a site which has your principles embodied. Persistently trying to force your view on sites that don’t want to hear it is in my opinion, despicable and destruction of free-speech mechanisms.

The founder/s has/have earned their right to define how a forum will be, they created it, put hours into working on it. Nurtured it though the early years. A site that is successful is not so without (a) dedicated leader/s who invest themselves in it. Saying that I’m of the ilk that I won’t tend to respect people who believe they know everything, that think they can make every decision right and only their view matters. In fact, I’d hazard to say most people don’t. I’m meandering off-topic however.

In wanting to help people, you must also consider if they want your help. Which is discussed in some form in the The ethics of Mind-control topic.

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Presence of light, I’m currently reading The Master Key System by Charles F. Haanel, written in 1912. The book The Secret was a take off on this book.
The Master Key System is absolutely fantastic. I am taking it slow though until I master all the exercises in there. I think this book ties really closely to lucid dreaming. Especially when it comes down to mastering WILDs

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when i say “this forum” i mean that other forum .

the whole point is lies exist
here indian, take this small pox infected blanket, it will keep you warm,
gee thanks partner, let me give you some money ,
oh gosh you shouldn’t have, that’s too kind .

this commercial paid for in part by …
people with their heads in the sand. .

there is not really any such thing as preaching

everyone is expressing arguments for and against this and that, and it is intermingling, there cannot be anything other than the suppression of creativity through blind consensus agreement, and that which challenges, changes, morphs, creates novelty and genuine interest, there are endless parameters cycling around in our minds and no one can really ever truly preach anything because all ideas will exist

for instance, someone asks a question they will get every possible response, and they have the obligation to sift that and see what feels right, if any of them, that is normal,

what is not normal is for people to have complex thought forms and be able ot present unique information, and people discriminate against what is not normal,

if what is normal is eating cockroaches and playing the drums then people will discriminate against popcorn and banjos, but a forum need not censor others unless those others are causing deliberate harm.

so i would think the people on that forum have some sort of agenda other than the circulation of information , as all the people i have written to have expressed thanks and gratitude and found my information very helpful, they are causing harm and shooting themselves in the foot, which i think must mean they have an 9innate bigotry or bias against certain types of information :

this goes to the complicated,
when you unleash an idea into the population , it can be completely false, as in , pharmaceutical drugs that cause more harm than they do good, and yet if you try to tell people that they are being deceived, which even basic independent research concludes ( the listed side effects of anti-depressants often include “suicide, sudden death” ) , well

the truth never hurt anyone unless a lie got there first
remember most americans thought cigarettes were a “breath of fresh mountain air” because on tv pretend and real doctors advocated smoking as being very very very good for you.

i an interested in speaking the truth and learning about what i am talking about to make sure it is correct or likely to be and this world happens to be a disohonest place, a self empowerment forum needs to confront the illusions , PREDATORY in nature, that this reality churns out , as the worst thing to do to someone that is having problems is throw them on a drug habit for their entire lives ,

its a waste of money and , what is so ironic is they seem to claim problems are the result of “chemical imbalances” but all that means is “the problem is you aren’t taking mind controlling drugs.” and those very chemicals they take CAUSE imbalance

it is a god awful butchering when you could just change your diet and have bliss and joy , people don’t understand that when you eat raw fruit you experience joyful happiness and any depression is immediately cured, they think they should keep doing what causes them to be depressed , and take drugs,

they keep shooting themselves and taking out 1% of the bullets, there is a hypocrisy

as in, diet soda, the aspartame causes more health problems including obesity than regular soda, when you drink something diet you believe you are fat, the thought form causes this fatness to stay the way it is, and until you stop thinking of yourself as needing the diet sodas you will not likely have the will power to easily change your physique over the course of a month

, y ou know i took a class in college

a very large man got inspired and he swam every day, it was incredible how much weight he lost, he didn’t lose it by DIE - it soda.

these people study our minds for a living then use their knowledge to enslave us and cause harm, they are predators, they are not here to make life convenient and peachy , and its ironic this ( that other ) forum doesn’t like to hear this perspective .

if you don’t agree with it you can ignore it .

there’s a documentary about the onset of total deception in the media, they used to only report facts, as in, this product, it does this, the end ,
then they got the idea to show totally irrelevant information juxtaposed within the product to elicit strong craving emotional mindsets,

they wanted women to smoke, women didn’t do it, so they payed a newsppaper tons of money to lie and say that “these daring bold women are smoking in public” and staged a hired “smoke in” of sorts, where payed actors went into the streets and smoked, and now women were smoking so they could feel powerful becuase in the early 1900s they were totally controlled and not allowed to do anything at all

smallpox to the indians, well, of course most people are so in bed with the lies from birth that they don’t like to realize that they are beeing hoodwinked…
convincing someone to do something they don’t need to do , and htat it will give them something that it will not and cannot give ?

do you underStand ?
a lietim eof drinking from aluminum cans builds up heavy metals which clog your mind and make it dull, its not so joyful to drink this dr pepper, it sjoyful to drink a fresh fruit smoothie,
they are trying to imply that you will have joy by soda but you can’t, soda tears your nerves apart, crashes your chemistry, messes you up with sugar, you have a certain pleasure that is jagged ,

jagged little pill, get it alanis ?
the only way to live a happy life style like the soda commercials show is to drink fruit smoothies

there was a point where we gave starving africans pepsi instead of bottled water, and tried to convince the public over here that… somehow that was a good thing, pepsi doesn’t save you from dehydration , its really a bit of a neurotxon in its own way , white sugar is somewhat responsible for the many cancers people get

depends on your innate inner factors if you are susceptible to it or not,
cigarettes, mountain air
blankets, small pox
still happens, every single day

click click boom boom shut up ethnicity other than my skin color ,

that’ show people are taught to act, especially in the third world, why ? authorities … mind control, movies, suggestions, stories,

people either really dislike what i say or find it deeply fascinating .

i think we can all agree one should never mutilate a females reproductive organs, but damn, how can you convince the cultures that do it that they are doing something wrong ? our culture does similar acts of evil and swindles the masses into going along with it,

if no one joined the military there wouldn’t be any wars, and i mean all around the world, just say no, to war…

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Permit me to make an addendum if you will,

What I am studying suggests that one may go into the mind, and simpy command changes in their reality. The author in particular of this wonderful text which is to the point and wastes no words speaks of the relative ease in which a man way work in the mind to r4eceive money, by simply demanding it!

Now, what is not really understood is how to do that. He seems to say to visualize that money and say “this is mine, give it to me” and that the picture itself is important. This is challenging. It is worth it for sure.

Now I know most people in the world don’t do this , at least, don’t do it on purpose, don’t know how to arrange the future an call it into being.

I’ve had it happen a few times with certain things, but right now the money is important. I absolutely love the information presented in this text, that a man goes through evolutionary work cycles, physical labor to mental labor, and the height of mental labor is this law, the mastery of the image, and manifesting anything desired by focus, rather than working for wages.

I like this. It may be true. It worked for him and many others , there were a great number of those thinkers in the early 1920s who had total success.

I have a simple goal, it is very fun.
I will go to the airport and go meet someone I love very much. The only idea I can think is to ask people for $ , because I don’t even have the capacity to go to a yoga job opening that opened up in needing to get the car fixed, or to go into the mind and create its manifestation somehow.

I know there are doubters but , oh well!

If I understand this , and it works, there is so much wonderful joy to be had.
I know that even positive thought streams such as "I am now full of joy my life is amazing everything works out perfectly " have a profound effect at cleaning the essence of depression and sulking out of the Self.

Now I am working with you skeptics, I love you, you are a reality check, and if it is a LAW of consciousness then it WORKS every time and it shall , then be mastered, by me. If I get it to work at all times then I can show others how to .

here is one story : years ago i read about this and affirmed that i had won a lot of $ from scratchier tickets
i intended to get $ to go to lunch and invite a girl i liked to it

i won so many of those in a row people thought i was crazy, or at least i did, i kept winning winning winning, small amounts here and there, buying ore, left with about $20 or $12 or something

i felt drunk on power at the time, fathoming the capacity of myself, but a bit apprehensive at that power

NOW
i had picked up the phone to call her, and heistated, when i finally did call her she said “oh if you had just called me a second earlier, I JUST started cooking pasta.”

that IS the law of attraction which is the concentric inter-relation of minds and how a man or being or woman in focus shall gravitate what he focuses to and around him, but what is to be understood is "how deep the rabbit hole goes " in terms of, actually applying this, every time, all the time!

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Or inadvertent harm, there aren’t actually a whole lot of people who cause deliberate harm, most of them have a reason and even think they are doing good. Just because they don’t realise the harm or disruption they cause, doesn’t make it ok. A forum centred around a lifestyle of eating cockroaches and playing drums is perfectly justified in saying, we don’t want people pushing other viewpoints in our faces. Especially people who join and make comments like “eww that’s disgusting, you should eat popcorn and play banjos” Not censoring such people will destroy the freedom people have to express themselves as they are, in a place meant for them, without feeling judged or having people trying to change them.

As has been explained, in a forum not centred around religious views or beliefs, its not unreasonable for them to say, we don’t want people inclined to convert others to their way of thinking, trying to do so. No hidden agenda, take a look at their rules, no doubt there is a no preaching clause there somewhere.

So be an example, and apply what you say to your life. The reason you have an issue is you judge other peoples lives to be ‘wrong’ and seek to change them. I don’t drink soda, I find it disgusting, I drink lots of pure fruit juices and eat healthily, I however don’t seek to impose this view on others as you do.

“When the people of the world all know beauty as beauty, there arises the recognition of ugliness.” - Tao Te Ching (Beck Translation)

I take this as exemplified in this context, if you see your path as right, you are creating the assumption others are wrong. My path is not right nor wrong, it just is.

In your opinion.

In your opinion.

Interesting that you say specifically female. That’s the point, we can’t all agree. We have to find a middle ground. In a place like the internet where people can coexist the best middle ground I can see is places can define how they are and enforce that, so people can feel comfortable there.

This is idealist at best, in a perfect world it would work. Sorry but we don’t live in a perfect world, we have to work with what we have.

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This is just The Secret wrapped up in different terminology, right down to the ‘everyone has what they deserve’ mindset. So, if I were to distill this a little further, then does that mean that all homeless people are exactly at fault for their own homelessness? That whatever tragedy beset them, beset them, because they deserved it? That every sick child is to blame for their own illness?

I’d also like to point out the reason for this. Antidepressants raises a person’s energy levels before they boost the mood. It’s possible to be so depressed that you cannot even bring yourself to commit suicide. So, with that initial burst of energy, a lot of people, sadly, gain the motivation they lacked, and attempt suicide. There’s no pharmaceutical conspiracy. Sorry, luv.

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I think the true problem lies within our personal choices. people want an easy fix. they don’t educate themselves to alternative treatments and choices. Yes companies take advantage of people, but that is not the companies fault. they give people what the people want. I remember writing a paper for a class i took in highschool. the subject was whether or not the media chooses what is important for people to know. most of my classmates (a large majority) wrote about how the media does tell us what we need to know. my argument was that it is the choice of the people to decide what is important. the media can only be successful if they tell people what the people want to hear. Just like how pharmecutical companies make money by giving people what they are looking for: a quick fix. or how dr. pepper makes a drink that people WANT to buy, because they are in search of a sugary carbonated beverage. In the end, it is up to us to make our own choices and research the choices we make that impact our lives. people are not being controlled, they are only ignorant in their own familiar ways. educating people to a healthier lifestyle is a beautiful thing, but keep in mind that everybody has their own opinion of what is correct, and some people simply don’t want to change. people who smoke cigarettes will tell you that cigarettes are horrible, while at the same time, they have one pressed between their lips. i quit smoking cigarettes a long time ago with no help. i quit cold turkey, and many others i know have done the same. it is not that hard in my opinion. it really just depends on whether or not you WANT to change.