Maybe Pedro will read this though he isn’t on much, like me.
I don’t know, it seems to be to the point where my lucid dreams are trivial, I will have maybe 2-3 meaningful ones a month and the rest are just repetetive and pointless and low lucidity sometimes.
and I think about the source of my boredom, and look at my dream actions and I can’t help but think I need to let go
I mean, for example, sex, it isn’t that fun, but I do it anyway, almost constantly. Well today I actually achieved interesting results, so today wasn’t pointless, but normally it is.
Realism. Things aren’t real because I am not an observant person, I do not sit here while awake and look at what makes things what they are, life is just a blur.
and it’s like I need to let go and just… see what happens. I’ve done it before, let the dream dissipate, and it makes me feel like I’m about to wake up… but… I don’t know.
If dreams are just creations of my unconscious then … what is the point of being lucid if I am stuck within my own patterns? Something needs to change about the way I approach my dreaming.
I need to learn from it.
I need to stop expecting things to be real… because maybe they are and maybe they aren’t, it doesn’t hurt to try periodically, but the act of questioning serves to severely lower the enjoyment I get.
It’s like, the best dreams are the ones you think they are real, if when I’m lucid I automatically say “hey this is fake nonsense” what fun is that? I need to get lost while retaining lucidity, really explore
I need to also just try and completely let go of everything and reach some sort of new state… or I need to accept and become happy with my abilities.
It just keeps reaching back to various buddhic principles… I feel like I could LD at will if I just stopped caring and analyzing and truly found a way to turn it all off and let go
or something.
So the only clear cut resolutions I have are convincing myself lucid dreams ARE REAL, so that I may enjoy them more and treat them with more “reverance” … and trying to learn form my mind rather than trying to entertain myself.
I don’t know, I"m kind of lost right now but something feels like it is taking motion, I just have to find out what it is and how to follow it.
The reason I can’t do some of the more advanced things some people can do in their lds is because I cling to trivial activities that don’t bring me joy or any other significant emotion.
I flew today and it was beautiful but it was just another motion, it wasn’t extremely significant…
I think the question you have to ask yourself is, “what do I want to get out of my lucid dreams”? Really try to ponder this question because I am not sure you know the answer to that yet. Once you know what you want from your dreams then you can work on goals to help you achieve that. When you answer that question be specific. Don’t answer vaguely like “I want something meaningful.”Define what meaningful or whatever you want means.
I agree that you might need to change how you look at your lucid dreams. For some reason your lucid dreams seem to be a source of frustration for you and I am not sure why. If you have the thoughts that lucid dreams are not real and therefore are pointless then that is what they will be. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. So, a change in your “self talk” about lucid dreams might be a big help here.
Also, it seams that while you have a great number of lucid dreams, most are very low level lucidity. Perhaps you should not worry about how many lucid dreams you can induce and instead work on inducing quality lucid dreams.
Well, it is common thing when lucid gets regular, I admit mine are sex oriented whenever DC is female near.
(I admit I had sex with male in my dream more then once, I had sex even with myself, yes with exact replica of me which was me!!!)
But that is not the point here, it is normal. I am afraid if some demon took place of my DC and then sucks my energy from me in that sexy dreaming.
But that is not the point, too. I also tend to explore and fly up up up up.
Also tried to make proving OOB, like opening book on exact page and read first line (not succeeded).
And that at some point lost excitement.
These are just usual up and down like waves on the water. You lose some you get some interest from time to time.
Next time you get lucid why don’t you try to share a dream with someone or just ask a plain simple question which bothers you first DC you see;
It will be better, just move from the point of letting go.
I am amazed by shared dream and never tried really and succeded, maybe someone on this forum would give it a try.
We just need to choose where is the place to gather.
And to prove it possible.
I believe there are an infinite amount of possiblities to LDing. From what I heard you can have shared LD’s or even out of body experiences. Why not shoot for some diffrent goals and make it more challenging again?
Sounds like this isn’t a question concerning just LDs. We can see whats really going on. But we already know as the great I am. It is too sad… Why do I have to keep reminding myself as the great I am to know myself?
I just keep atagonizing myself… Know yourself… as the great I am. As all that is creation. Everything is aligning with it. Everything is giving way to it… Always. Consistantly.
A great cosmic crascendo awaits me and I sit huddled here, crying… trying to stay away while never not knowing and seeing all there is to see.
I hate it. Bring more and more sharding? Bring more and more…seperation… I don’t want to do this anymore but its all I have to do, so I find ways to…not do what i’ve done before which is everything…
umm yeah i was feeling the sameway a couple of months ago so i took a break, i had a dream the other night about lding and it kinda reinvigerated me. Maybe you just need to take a break?
never try to convince yourself that a lie is true. no good can come of that. dreams arent real, no matter what.
but what exactly is it you want right now? to learn from yourself? to gain happiness? it sounds like you don’t even know the answer yourself. try to think of an answer to that question.
that’s so simplistic, i don’t know what is true and what isn’t true.
i mean, as milod said, if you believe dreams are lies, then they will be.
this is evidence of an overwhelmingly strong “subconscious” role in your dreams, but that doesn’t mean that there is not something you can tune into amidst the chaos.
I have had inexplicably interesting shared dreaming succeses, but I am not “naive” … I am very critical, I mean, I go, and I see a black room, and I open it willing my teacher to be there, and I ask her when the test is, because I skipped class the previous time, being hung over.
she says it was postponed.
i go to school, and this is IMMEDIATELY after I had the dream, i had this thing like 5 minutes before I had to get up to get ready for class… and I ask her about the test, and she tells me it’s put off until the next class meeting, and the way she says it is real similar to how she did in the dream.
and then I go and I have a pseudo-OBE within a dream and I find my friend, and he is so UNREAL like subconscious gibberish he doesn’t make sense and he is zombie like, but I talk to him anyway, because I really miss him and we have been out of touch, and I want to start talking to him again… I think I told him to email me maybe.
well, next day, very next day, he sends me an AIM offline message, this is the first time he’s ever sent me one… he doesn’t remember dreaming about me though.
so this, this shows, that even if dream characters are muddy and gibberishy, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are fake, maybe they are representations of the dreamer’s curent mindstate?
Or maybe coincidence? The possibilities are endless… you know? For every guy that says dreaming is fake, one says it’s real, and it’s such an avenue of thought that western science doesn’t pay enough attention to… Mavromatis supposedly confirmed that shared hypnagogia is possible… I’ve got his book (“Hypnagogia”) right now but I’ve been really lazy in reading it, I’m not even into the 100s yet.
… so…
I don’t want to tell myself it’s fake, because it might not be… but yeah you’re right I can’t tell myself it’s real, i’m just too much of a skeptic…
and the biggest problem is I know no real life lucid dreamers… I can try with people on the forums to have a shared dream I guess… I don’t know.
yeah exactly … i’m so lost… it’s all just fragmented and… kind of … negated.
Are things supposed to be that way? No truth, no lies… just… “Is” … ?
I’m nowhere near such a state but…fragmented parts of me are… in a way.
I don’t know what I want from lucid dreaming.
I want to have sex, to the point of orgasm, to the point of amazing orgasm, with a woman, a real woman, in a real shared lucid dream, I want to experience euphoria like I felt in one of my first LDs at age 13-16 or something… I just… out of nowhere inexplicably find this rainbow land, and the feelings it gave me were indescribable, I have never felt anything like that again… I’ve had … maybe 1/1000th of it at times… was it just because lucid dreaming is a novelty?
the problem is not lucid dreaming, it is the very nature of existence itself. Do we grow bored of all things? Is Buddhism in essence correct, the cause of suffering is desire? Is the ONLY way to be happy… to stop being? To connect to absolute emptiness which is the same as absolute infinity?
If so, then I should not be dreaming, I should be entering some sort of … deep meditational trance state, as if in delta sleep while conscious… i’ve “tried” but not very hard to do that.
Should I work dilligently on meditation while dreaming?
Maybe, but I’M NOT GOOD AT MEDITATION, if I can’t do it in real life I won’t have great results in dream either… the mind is more quiet, but… there are still distractions and thoughts.
See, if happiness can be obtained with LDing, if there is some sort of “connection” i can make so that my dreams ARE meaningful, and I always wake up happy having had a cool time, then… the answer is I need to find meaningful activities to pursue… but then I limited to the constraints of my own head… sure there is lots of untapped creativity while dreaming, but the happiest dreams are not lucid dreams, they are dreams which I perceive to be real.
and this is a deep statement about reality… ignorance IS bliss… it seems to advocate submitting to … the powers that be (no no no not the government, of course not, just … “cosmicness”) and… “reaching out to embrace the random, reaching out to embrace whatever may come” and if that is the case, that should be my LIFE APPLICATION, not my dream application, i should… take up a vow of silence and just… blend, with nature, and with people, and walk… and explore, and do drugs… and meditate, and everytime i want to do something but it makes me anxious and sick to think about it because I’m afraid to do it, I just say ■■■■ that, I’ll do it anyway even though I’m scared and uncomfortable.
so… i don’t know… i don’t know what the ■■■■ is going on!!!
dreaming will help me understand my mind at least, but sometimes it shows me things that I don’t want to see about myself…
for example… i used to have… tons of nightmares/sp about … well about being raped, I have vanquished them most entirely for the most part… but often times it was by males…
and you know, what does it mean, it means a lot of things, but one thing i don’t particularly want it to mean is that i may be somehow or another bisexual… i am not opposed to homosexuality, but as time progresses I feel more and more inclined to … not be … upset, or repulsed, by it… and to almost be curious… and you know, that’s not bad, if someday i felt okay about it, that doesn’t matter.
but what does matter is i also sometimes have dreams about compromising situations with girls that are WAY TOO YOUNG… and knowing me, and knowing my sexual issues (lots of pent up sexual frustation/confusion)… it just terrifies me to think of the implications that these dreams have, that somewhere inside me I may be attracted to severely underage women… it’s natural, of course… but… it scares me …
i just want proof, something that strikes me as profound enough to accept that lucid dreams can be real, sometimes.
they aren’t so much low level lucidity as it is like… my ID is running rampant… I’m just going crazy doing skin deep desires and not thinking or reflecting critically and engaging in more meaningful experiments…
the best are semi lucid dreams in which i interact directly with dream characters, thinking they may be real, or they may be fake, but not caring, and treating them as if it were a shared dream to such a degree that I may temporarily believe it is a real shared dream.
ughhhhhhhhh
I feel like I need to do LSD… NOW… it won’t really help me any but it will give me, I believe, the necessary mindstate to critically analyze myself, my thought patterns, and force me to accept and integrate facets of reality that I have largely been ignoring or oblivious to…
but you know, I’m so damn paranoid of the government and the cops…
Not exactly hardcore, but something weird. Try imagine when you touch yourself and feel both your hand and the place where you touch. I was so fascinated with that. Exact replica of yourself in fact.
Parale realitieeessss
It seems you’re just going through the “void”. Or maybe not.
It means all the LD has transformed you and you are able to see: the world that we’ve been told about since we were born is meaningless. Even more, it could be just a dream
So, don’t worry about, keep going … everything is temporary in this world, so even your bad mood will go away
firstly, I never said homosexuality was not normal, he had sex wiht himself, this is not homosexuality; would you call masturbation homosexuality??
Secondly, homosexuality is not normal; normal is something that is the most common, to say homosexuality is unnormal is just to say that it is in a small minority.
i had a pretty nutty ld today… i flew out my window, spider webs hit my face, and normally these things sometimes scare me about of lucid action but i decided to ignore it… then… i got stuck under a huge tree and it’s limbs turned into spider legs, there was some spider rotating on a pedastal (a big spider that is, bigger than me) and … well… i flew by it ignoring it and thinking i’m glad i didn’t get a good look at it…
then i flew into space, and i saw a meteor strike earth somewhere near south america, but it should hae been where australia was i think…
then i saw some eyes pop up and i tried to contact them but it didn’t work, so i opened my wrist chakra, in the form of eyes, and flashed them at the being, and it started talking to me, supposed to be God or something, and it spoke in subtitles (which probably relates to the clown episode of aqua teen hunger force i just saw) … so then… it had me say a weird prayer i think having something to do with denouncing the possibility of the existence of Gods… or something… then I asked it if it was God and it said, no, not really… and I told it I wanted to evolve, and it said I wouldn’t evolve for a long time and showed me a diagram of my energy levels… which were green and purple…
i then opened my root chakra and asked to see the diagram again and it was then more balanced looking.
i then was sititng in my grandparents house, I think… unless i’m not remembering a segment of the dream.
What would you say are the difference between real life and a lucid dream?
To me, its all experience. A lucid dream might not be a permanent place, it’s alot more plastic and follows your thoughts to a much larger degree. Real life you could say also follows your thoughts and expectations/beliefs, but in a delayed fashion.
If you keep flying around and having sex all the time, I think it either might be because the lucid dream is not of a high enough quality, so your baser instincts take over to a larger degree. Another thing might be that you just have not thought much over what you really want to do in your lucid dreams before heading off to bed.
sorry to keep going off topic but anyway, homosexuality is unnormal, unnormal simply means not usual, homosexuality isnt the usual thing to encounter, therefore it is unnormal. And there is a difference between abnormal and unnormal.
