Limited lucidity

Quest for Lucidity
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I had lucid dreams for quite a few years but something strange happens starting a few months ago (apparently no important reason). It seems like my lucidity is in some kind of regression, as:

  • I’m always lucid from the start of the dream, I know I’m there and i can think by myself what to do next
    But
  • I cannot control anymore the environment: teleporting schemes won’t work.
  • I cannot do supernatural things anymore, like flying, super-run etc.
  • Except from 1 or 2, all the characters in my dream would ignore me, but: For example, last night I had a dream about being in a supermarket. Because I could not do anything extraordinary, I went to the electronics part and start watching on a TV. It was running an unknown TV show, something like A donkey for you!, a very comical one. A man was having some misundersandings with the seller about the warranty. He was yelling and pissed me off because I couldn’t hear a thing on the TV, but, as I said before they would completely ignore me, so I threw at him the remote control of the TV. He turned his face at me, said something (I can’t remember exactly what) in Latin and went out (he looked pretty upset but I don’t know if it was the seller’s fault or mine :lol: ).
    Obs>The environments are changing often during a dream. I can say that I have more dreams at once because during the night I have several dreams but, in the next dream, I can never remember what happened in the one before, so I can’t say which one happened before the other one or if they were at the same time. I use to have dreams that makes me think I lived about 3 days in them, and that’s a long time compared to what was before.
    Still, I decided to give a try to the quest of the february by stopping time. It worked seamlessly, no problem reversing or accelerating the time.

It seems that the classical way of controlling things (thinking about it, doing some specific things in order to change the environment or to fly etc) won’t work. Usually, I only used the mind power to focus on things or activities until now, and tried some other crazy things like jumping off a building with no positive results.
What exactly is happening and what else should i try?

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This happens often when people are not sure whether they can fly/summon/teleport or not.They wonder if they can do it or not, so they don’t.

I never wondered that i just flew and summoned.You must be sure you will do it.
And try to get people’s attention, try doing something crazy like, jumping off a building or running and jumping around, that would draw attention IRL for sure.
I hope i helped you!

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It is not about really wanting doing a certain thing. I did fly/teleport thousand times in my dream. I know what you mean but I am not narrow-minded, I mean I know it is supernatural but I also know that I am in a dream and in a dream I can do anything I want, beyond the normality.
As I said, I already tried drawing their attention by jumping off a building and some other simple things, like kicking them; they would simply get up and continue what they were doing as nothing really happened (I would say they are hypnotized or something like that because their behavior seems very limited, like something is controlling them, or they all turned into zombies :lol: ).

If this have any importance, I often dream that I’m dreaming. I know it is a bit weird but I cannot explain exactly. For example I dream that I’m dreaming something (I remember what I dream when I was in the dream, so it’s not just an impression), then I wake up inside the dream often in my bed, whether this is or not the real home and continue my real dream.
When I said that I cannot change the environment it does not mean that it is not changing at all. There are moments when it suddenly changes to totally different worlds and I am unable to prevent that or even sense it before it is going to change.

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Wow, that is really strange.
And dreaming in the dream isn’t something unnatural, it just doesn’t happen at many people, nor it happens often, so that’s a rarity :wink: .

And I really don’t know why people ignore you.I wish I could help you about that, but i don’t think I can.And that summoning thing, too.
Well, if you can’t do anything that’s unnatural IRL, at least you can do anything without getting noticed.Even though that’s not positive, I would use that.

Sorry I can’t help you :sad:

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But I can do some limited unnatural things, like stopping, reversing, fast forwarding time or, for example, a few days ago, I had a dream about a very fast train full with people that was going to crash into a big wall. I could stop the train using my hands like a telekinetic controller :grin:

I remember that I missed a BIG point in my problem. The people would ignore me BUT about 70% of them are spying me and usually stay hidden from me. I think the rest of 30% are pushed to do usual things in order not to distract my atention while the others analyze me :eh:

The answer is pretty questionable, but it might be related to the experience I had described in another post. Is it possible for a man to have two existence in the dream world, and, if so, I think HE is controlling those people.
"After reading all the stuff about this SG I tried to see what happens if I try to call one in my dreams. I received quite an unexpected answer: whatsthat
Instead of a Spirit Guide, I got myself in front of me. I (he) was quite as the same age I have in the real world but he looked darker and not too happy (at least his facial expression).
He told me I can not waste my time with such stupid thing as SGs because there are much more important things to do. I still remember the exact words:
“What do you need a spirit guide for? No one would come to you because they are all gone, left for good or simply killed. I can tell everything you want to know but now we have a much bigger problem. Our world is collapsing. You have to open your mind and leave this world behind for the ones you brought in. You will have to create a new world. I will give you all the support you need but I can not do this myself.
I do not blame you for trying to destroy yourself by letting all this unpleasent people in, I am what you made me to be… You do not have too much time left, you need to prepare yourself for the new bing-bang… You know the rest, we are the same but not the way you think.”
Then he (me) simply disappeared, so was with the environment. No matter how hard I tried I could not get back there. Maybe he is right, I mean I fell like my powers are getting away from me in my dreams. Something needs to be changed but I don’t know exactly what. I think he’s message is very important because I could remember everything he said, word by word
PS: The original message was not in English, so I am sorry for any kind of mistakes or miunderstandings.

My dreams just got nasty lach1 Anyway he (I) just confirmed a feeling that I had for a long time but I cannot fully understand what he meant. From what I know, only death can “reset” a dream world and who are those who I let them in?
My dreams would not respond me to these questions."
PS: Sorry for missing this but the problem described here started before I first saw him, so I thought it there is not any connection between them but this way it would make sense.

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Well, here is my first hypothesis. Considering that your dreams are more and more mundane (going to supermarket etc.), and disappearing dream supernatural abilites it may be that your left hemisphere is trying to take over dream realm which is usually mostly under right one control.

As you may know, left hemisphere is responsible for logic and rational thinking. Lucidity itself is a manifestation of it within dream. If you usually approach dreams like “just dreams” than it is typical left hemisphere’s philosophy and its strong strengthening. So if my hypothesis is correct, you need to start develop your right hemisphere in waking life or left-type thinking will finally overcome your dream world and it will become a copy of waking reality. Have you any creative hobbies IRL?

Your dream alter-ego is a representative of right hemisphere according to this hypothesis.

Second hypothesis. Although a lot of lucid dreamers treat dreams like place where they can do what they like because “it is just dreams”, science actually knows little about what it is and what purpose do they serve. So it maybe that while doing something you triggered protection mechanisms against conscious part of mind (which is what we call “I”) which is creating havoc and breaking dream work (whatever it is).

Also, the words of your dream alterego is very interesting. What did you usually do in lucid dreams before this issue started?

Another interesting thing is

As you remember, in normal dreams dream scene often change when main character (usually dreamer) have to move to another place according to the plot. According to your description, it looks like you’ve stopped to be a center of the plot and it is centered around other DC. You can try to pinpoint around whom the plot is centered now, and it may be that this will give you a hint what to do next.

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First hypothesis.
Here may be a big problem, because in the real life I am always logical and rational when approaching things, although I sometimes I have some kind of revelation and start approaching things from a totally different perspective :grin:
Anyway, even if you are or not right with this hypothesis, a thing is certain: in my head started a very big conflict and I don’t like it because it has some unpleaseant consequences. For example, I do not dream every night like I used to do before. For 2 or 3 nights I only have blank/black sleep, while in the next one I have a very long dream, something like I missed 2 or 3 episodes of a TV-series and in next day I see all the 3 or 4 episodes at the same time.
You may be right, this alter-ego seemed pretty upset (that long face the intellectuals usually have :lol: )
Second hypothesis.
Like I said before, that alter-ego appeared when requesting for my spirit guide(s).
I usually was hanging around. I remember that I usually reconstructed the dream world because, keeping walking, I would reach the end of it, where it was greyed out and I had to build something there in order to continue my walk :razz:
Usually my dreams were bloom and very bright, with lots of plants growing all over, now it is very normal I could say and now the dream world doesn’t end anymore, I mean I have run a lot and I couldn’t find it, before my dreams were limited to only
about 1km square, now I have run more than 10km inside a dream and couldn’t find the end (and no, I wasn’t running in circle :razz: ).
Characters were always a problem: they were always shy or evasive, like they were knowing something and tried to speak with me, but also trying to keep away the secret, whatever that would be. But before they would talk to me, now they are completely ignoring me and have that zombie-like behaviour.

I am the main character because in the new dream world, as I said before, everything is different from the last one: never the same guys, never the same animals, never the same buildings => never the same anything, maybe the environments are changing in order to keep me away from something.

A third hypothesis (1+2). Maybe I tried (or something that appeared to), unconscious, to overrun the mechanisms regarding conscious part of mind. This way, the other me was called in order to stop me before I do something nasty. Maybe this is why my powers are getting weaker and I cannot control the environment anymore.
Havoc and breaking dream world = “Our world is collapsing. You need to reset the dream world”?
“You let too many people unpleasant in” = the dream world exchanged too many informations with the conscious existance?
The BIG problem is how I can get things at normal. And what would happen if I finally manage to override the protection mechanism against conscious part of mind? I would die? I would not make the difference anymore between dream and real world? I would dream forever? I don’t think so. Seems more like self-controlling than a bing-bang revolution. This will finally end when I will get a new dream world (sounds easy but I don’t know how to do it) or I get over those protections and I believe the second is more likely.

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"1 What do you need a spirit guide for?
Is the question you were asked, you need to answer that for yourself, he may have been your spirit guide but he was trying to tell you you know what you need but you don’t realize you know.

2 No one would come to you because they are all gone, left for good or simply killed.
Okay this could be talking about dreaming or IRL. If you’ve had someone leave you because of something you did, or they were killed. I find they left you more likely. If you’ve had someone leave you you need to reforge those relationships.

3 I can tell everything you want to know but now we have a much bigger problem. Our world is collapsing.
If he can tell you everything get Lucid and call him back. Call your spirit guide and bring him back. Ask him what he means about the world collapsing why everyone won’t talk to you Ask him what you need to know.

4 You have to open your mind and leave this world behind for the ones you brought in. You will have to create a new world. I will give you all the support you need but I can not do this myself.
Do what he said open your mind from dreams and leave them behind you have brought people into your dream world. Taken real life people and turned them into dreams. He’s saying you need to leave your regular dreams for them your new dreams and the real life people.

5 I do not blame you for trying to destroy yourself by letting all this unpleasent people in.
He’s saying by bringing these people in you were attempting to kill yourself and destroy yourself. You may have been doing it subconciously, but still he’s saying the real and the dream cannot intertwine.

6 I am what you made me to be… You do not have too much time left, you need to prepare yourself for the new bing-bang…
If you have created an alter ego in real life, or in dreams he is back and he’s telling you he can only do what you made him able to do. I would say in your dreams there is a future dream that will reconstruct the dream world you have. And he’s saying its happening soon.

7 You know the rest, we are the same but not the way you think."
Plain and simple you know everything he’s not told you but you know it subconsiously and you need to realize it. You are the same as him but not in the same way as you would think. He knows this because he is you he is an alterego, a person who lives with you in the same body.

I would say your best chance of anything is to try to get your powers back without the help of others and call your alter ego back.

What you said about zombie behavior. They might be mad because you replaced them and now they’re suffering the consequences. Apologize to them. Tell them you didn’t know what was happening and you need they’re help.

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Dreams are usually reflections of what happens IRL, so it may be because of something that happened to you.Does anyone ignore you IRL?Are people scared of you?Or is someone spying on you?It could be because of that.

And about those hemispheres, If you are left handed, as I am, your right cerebral hemisphere is more developed than the left one, or if you are right handed, your left cerebral hemisphere is more developed than the right one.

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IRL people are not scared, nobody is spying me and ignorance is something normal, I mean it happens to anyone to be ignored once in a while but this is not a recent issue.

I usually use my both hands when doing certain activities like writing :tongue:

There is only one thing I have not tried yet: to sing. IRL I believe that a good song can make all the difference in certain situations, so it might work. The problem is that I need a stadium and get all the people in one place but I think I can do that with some invitations .

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Well, normally you could just close your eyes, open them and appear on a stadium, but since your supernatural abilities are limited, you will be forced to walk to a stadium or a stage or something else.

I really don’t know what causes this, and why is that so.
This is a rare case, perhaps even unique.
Well, even if we don’t know why does it happen to you, maybe we can still solve it.

You could try singing, as you said, or maybe asking people about it(Some people solve a lot of stuff by talking to people in dreams, so you could try so either.)

and btw, you write with both hands?Well, you have to be left handed or right handed, you would be a genius with super abilities lol.

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Well, I got the invitations to everyone but it has already been 3 nights that I could not dream anything. What should I do to get my dreams back, I cannot do anything if I cannot dream anything :lol:

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Remember, you always dream but you sometimes don’t remember your dreams.
You know how the newbies solve this.They start a DJ and that.But you are not a newbie cause u had lucid dreams. And now cannot remember them.That’s weird.A lot.

Well, i hope you just start remembering your dreams again, I don’t know what else to say.

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It is not that I do not remember them. I do not have them at all. Early in the morning I can remember perfectly the last images I had before falling asleep but after that everything is empty/missing, to be more specifically I can remember the dream I was trying to make in the Theta phase but after I fall asleep for good I do not dream anything.
Does those special songs have any kind of positive effect because I am going to try them at night if somebody confirms it?

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Ask any experienced man, and he will tell you we all have dreams, just we don’t remember them at all.You should have read it by now.Well that’s only unless…unless you don’t get to the REM phase.maybe you fall asleep and before you even start dreaming, you wake up.And that happens repeatedly.

And actually a lot of people find those songs helpful.I have never tried it, so you can’t hear it from my view.

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Well it tok me a month but it is almost finished :tongue:
The singing method actually worked, but it cause some kind of dizzy feeling. For example, while I was singing, I felt like I would have died, the flash from my bones dissapeared, then revived, I do not know how to say it exactly because it was very confusing and unpleasant. :sad:
Anyhow, it worked. It actually worked but the price was pretty big: the entire dreamworld was erased, i mean completely erased, at the end of the song there was only me and “the others” in the middle of nowhere. Not a very big problem though, because, by now, the new universe it is almost completely rebuilt.
I also received answers for almost all my questions.
The others are instances meant to keep me away from the limits of the dreamworld universe. This includes lots of stuff and it was not actually related on how big my dreamworld was, but more on the possibility of destroying the circular state of it. An entire theory was explained to me but I’ll try to make it very short.
The dreamworld is based on a circular shape, in which I am the central point. The events from within are actually based on this circle (here it was another fully fledged and boring theory). When something unnatural happens, like seeing future events from my real world or trying to find answers to very complex or unexpected questions (like Who am I, actually? ), in that point, the curve of the line gets bigger, this making the circle grow. Sometimes it grows up so big that it reaches somebody’s else dreamworld which is not allowed in this world. As for me, I was told I actually hit 3 other circles at the same time :eek: . As all the universes are linked into a big system (another big and boring theory), this system considered me potentially unsafe and isolated me from the rest, thus “eating” almost all my energy and all the formes of life that it created. But me and the others have had a big quantity of energy, big enough to reconstruct everything.
The isolation consists mostly in the incapacity of viewing future sequences, as the future is based on the behaviour of all the other people. End of super-compressed theory.
The one who I met before it was the instance IV, mainly responsable for abstract behaviour. I am III, my lucky number :shy: . Anyway this numerotation is not relevant for anything but they made it to keep track of each other, as all the 7 (yes, we are 7 instances) have the same name. They do not have their own tipical shape, they actually “read” each other’s minds in order to acknowledge the way the other wants him to look like. For me, 2 out of 7 were girls to me.
Their origins (another big theory) say that we all once were the same, and, at the core, we still are the same, but our “duty” makes us different.

There are also some new benefits in this way of being, for example I can pick up a green leaf from a plant and smell i. I remember that in the past the details of the dreamworld were pretty undetailed, now everything looks more colorful, deeper.

I realise that is possible that my mind came out with this pretty complex story that is not partially true, or not true at all, but it is interesting the way the things evolved. I remember that in the night I sang, the dream was actually very long, I felt like I would have lived like a week in it.
If somebody is interested in one of those big, fully-fledged and boring story (it would take me a post for any of them to explain) or want to know further information about a specific thing just let me know. (The explanation was pretty complex and somewhat confusing so I’m sorry for any mistakes in understadings, if there is something you could not understand just let me know and I will try to explain it again in another words :tongue: )

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Do I have to read this all?Are there any questions?

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The only question that remains if this is actually true or is just a fake theory made by myself. For the rest there are only answers.

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OK, I don’t know which theory are you talking about, but nevermind, I’m gonna read your post.
Oh, I read it.Well, I don’t know if the theory is correct.Well, how could I know?None of us people know the answer to that question, like so many other questions