do you think it will aid in attaining enlightenment in death?
Of course this depends on your views… I’m a bit of a Buddhist and feel that between life and death is a dream state (called bardo) [and this makes me sound like I’m reciting dogma but I agree with this from reasoning and intuition] and that it is easier in that bardo state to attain enlightenment than when bound to a body.
In fact much more easy. The Tibetan Book of the Dead mentions it doesn’t matter if you know how to meditate or not while dead, you just try to and it works.
So… some of us are lucid every day… most of us have been lucid.
Do you think it will be helpful in the grand scheme of things? I was reading the Tibetan Yoga of Clear Light (i think that is what it was called) and the teacher doesn’t seem to think so… he states that you would need in depth training to be able to succesfully navigate the bardo and attain liberation… and simple experience with lucid dreaming alone isn’t enough.
Perhaps… because as long as you have a self while dreaming, you will become a new self and be born.
or my reasoning at least. It seems like I kind of remember the bardo before this life… being in white light for a while… then gradually coming to be me… looking at things… fairly interested and neutral. But I’m not sure.
A point that I’m selflessly stealing from Waking Life, is that, how would they explain the increase in souls? Like, on earth right now, there are 6 billion people. How much was it in the like 1900’s? Like 1 billion?
I do like the theory though. For some reason, the idea of rebirth has always interested me.
the increase in people in the world is mainly due to several things:
-substantially improved medical treatment=longer life expectancy.(main reason)
-People having larger families.
-Improved sanitation=low risk of disease/plague
-advanced warning to dangerous events/disasters
-more free time…
-plenty of food and fresh water for families to live off of.
-Technological advances in all fields like housing, electricity, fuel, ect…
This topic does seem like it should be in the P.C.
I’ve read that sometimes when we die we still think we’re alive… i think that the dream state is similar to death, 'cause a lot of people who practice OBE say that Lucid Dreams is like the first step to OBE, and when we practice OBE we use our souls to it (at least IMO), and what is death besides not having a body to use? If we can be conscious during dreams, we have more chances to realize that we are dead… it could be evenbetter if one already practiced OBE.
I’m reading dayly the blog of a great french LD’er and she practices meditation too. She completely agrees with that. It’s not with a few LD’s per month that you’ll attain liberation and a in depth meditation training is needed.
would you be so kind as to share the link to that blog, Basilus?
I’ve been reading a few books regarding the bardo and being conscious upon dying in order to break the life cycle. It’s one of the main reasons I’ve started my LDing quest. I believe it is definitely possible and I feel that it is the truth, but I want to have my own experiences of it too. I want my own truth.
errm…well, uh, not yet persay. but maybe i can find a nice e-translator that i can plug the text into. yea. that’s it. thanks for sharing anyway! enjoy, sepultura!
*nico bangs on an illusionary window
i would like to get out of the holograph now, thank you!
Yes, it’s a metaphysical view. Buddhists think that all what we experience is similar to a dream. Tibetan Buddhists distinguish between different states in which they say we are conscious (or we may be conscious), waking life, dream, deep sleep and even after-death. These states are called “bardo”, bardo of live, bardo of dream, bardo of death, etc.
thanks for sharing anyway! enjoy, sepultura! 