Math in lucid dream is myth

in real world , we observed our world then we measure it and we obtained rules of physics and chemistry.
and then we created a language for these rules to understand them better. that language called math.
on the other hand , there is superstition , myth , beliefs and religion. myth originally created to make dreams and control people’s imagination, to give hope or kill hope.
these are two sides of our brain , left side for observations and measurements ( math ) and right side for beliefs, music , art and religion ( myth ) .
if two man do a same physic experiment in two different place on earth they get the same results , what if two man do same thing in their lucid dreams ? we can’t say they would experience same thing. so we can’t explain lucid dream with our ancient language which is math , instead we can explain lucid dream functionality with dreamer’s belief system and his/her religion.
we know that when Christians experience religious feelings during the lucid dream , they are more likely to see jesus christ etc. and Muslims would see mohammad or their imams.
and their experience during this religious feeling is so strong and vivid.

so i asked myself what if i create my own religion? what if a group of lucid dreamers convert into one custom religion that is all about lucid dream with some rules? is it possible that somehow they can experience same by doing sth same ? like how those two man did experiment in real world?
imagine , we create a religion. and there is some gods and goddess that completely described and detailed or even painted. for example “Diov” the goddess of time , she has this specific shape , this specific attitude and this specific super powers. you can meet and pray her in your lucid dream by entering her temple. you should do this specific things in your lucid dream to open portal to her temple and her temple is like this ( detailed and imaged ) . she can show you future if you do this.
so 1k lucid dreamer is following this custom religion and they try to believe these gods and goddess.
or even a lucid dream bible written by some experts containing some rules and instructions.
after repeatedly praying and reading the lucid dream bible they finally get to believe after 6 month or more.
at some point some followers finally open the portal and can enter the temple and they would describe same place and they describe same goddess.
maybe maybe maybe maybe , i hope so . some dreamers meet each other in there somehow with astral tether or telepathy. maybe maybe maybe maybe by believing that Diov goddess so much somehow dreamer can connect to universe and somehow see some kinda future and predict things.
what do we know?!
maybe myth is not that useless , and its actually the language and way of connection for people in lucid dreams !

If this would work, then why not go along existing religions and their beliefs to achieve the goals you outlined? From my understanding of your proposal they should work just as well. What’s the difference with your religion?

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there is no difference , i said religious lucid dreamers when experience religious feelings during the lucid dream , they describe their lucid dream as " most vivid and best lucid dream they ever had" .
so basically religious people are benefiting some features that is harder to achieve as an atheist right now.
hallucination and visualizations are more strong when it’s about religion for religious people.
if an atheist use meth to hallucination
and a famous religion character of islam tell one of normal muslims that if he touch their heads and they close their eyes , they would meet imam in their imagination.
and we compare which one of druged atheist or muslim have more hallucination , the muslim would defiantly have more even thou he didnt use any drug. because the brain itself provide hallucination.
actually there is a superpower in world of islam called " seyr & solok " which is basically lucid dream with strong religious feeling.
and they think only high mullahs that prayed for years can do that.
they claim they can provide information of the world. for example they can say where is the missing object located.

The significance of lucid dreams in religion is well known. I think the Tibetan dream Yogi are the most often referred instance. I also remember many indigenous tribes all across the world with rather shamanic religions to feature lucid dreams as an important if not key element in their spiritual life.
Your explanation is the first time I hear about it in Islam though. Did you read about this somewhere or did somebody tell you? Do you know whether this is common knowledge in most or all flavors of Islam or rather a peculiarity that only few are familiar with who practice this religion?

Now I’m curious how the title relates to the discussion? It seems we went pretty fast from math to myth and then religion, but Idon’t see the connection to math anymore :lol:

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That’s an interesting idea: that mathematics/physics was created by humans to describe the waking world, while myth was created by humans to explain the dream/unconscious world. And so experiments to explore the dream world should look like “myth experiments” rather than physics experiments.


One possible objection. The anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss used mathematics to model the kinship rules of Australian Aboriginal societies. So mathematics can be used to model things that are non-numerical and more myth-like, if you ‘re wiling to use abstract algebra. On the other hand, there a lot of reasons for being. skeptical about Levi-Strauss’s structural anthropology,

seyr and solok is well known and common knowledge in middle east islam at least.