meditation and lethargy

Beyond Dreaming
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well i inexplicably decided to do some light weight lifting today, having not done so in a while, and anyway, it tired me out and i sat down to meditate for a while…

i wavered in and out of consciousness a bit and eventually felt “better” in a sense of being more relaxed and clear…

so then i thought, well now, let’s use neural noise synthesizer, I haven’t done that in a while, so I set it to deep theta…

well… after about 30 minutes it’s had it’s maximum effect on me, im no longer “tired” in the sense that i’m waveirng in and out of consciousness, but I am probably in a different brainwave state because I feel kind of nice and relaxed again.
(i know this isn’t necessarily “proper meditation” my goal was just to remember the hypnagogic thoughts i have while going under…)

so then… it was over, and i was like… ehhh… I don’t want to do anything… I was going to post some, but I damn well didn’t feel like making any kind of effort to do anything…

So I went and laid down on my bed and just relaxed, and it felt nice obviously, since I’m in this nice dreamy mood…

then I went in and out of light sleep for a little bit, and then it clicked again… and I felt more inclined to do things.

is meditation supposed to make you feel lazy as hell? I mean, the cause of suffering is desire, what could make you happier than not wanting to do a damn thing other than just chilling… and leaving the world behind for a while… but damn it sure made me lazy here for a while.

then again I only got 3 hours of sleep today, and I had worked out so I was obviously “burnt out” a little but… yeah… i still don’t feel like doing anything that requires any more thought than free-form typing… no guitar playing or anything like that… i do feel fresh mentally though… to a degree.

and i’d make a damn fine pothead…

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Its not supposed to make you lazy but it might be sure an effect of it. It would also depend on your current state of mind and the type of meditation that you do (zen, energy, pondering on isues or whatever). Also if you want to be lazy then it wouldnt be a problem would it? Being in a state of not wanting anything also means that you dont want to leave that state, so perhaps your question is one of looking back in a negative way because now you are no longer in such a state (did that make sense?)…

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sort of…

i don’t look negatively on it, i just could see how that kind of mindstate wouldn’t be good to be in a lot because it would you know, keep me from going to class, and caring about things that I’m “supposed” to care about… and you know, wouldn’t be great for my health.

I think part of meditation must be learning to get your brain pumping and back into normal daily mode when you’re done, I should get a neurofeedback device so I can learn to do this “right” .

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Holy reality… i love the way you explain things. I understand everything you say so clearly and everything you say makes perfect sense. and you really like to think about things i can tell. haha yes i think you would make a fine pothead.

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hahaha wow thanks man, usually no one can understand me at all!

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why not meditate while your doing the things your supposed to do? But that requires a specific meditation. I suggest mindfulness meditation, does wonders to me…

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there´s a handful of word´s there i didn´t understand

theta, neural noise synthesizer, hypnagogic

i´d like you to explain these words… also, i didn´t really get what you were saying about being in a relaxed mood, were you lazy or energetic without having will to do things?

also, what kind of meditation were you doing?

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i’ll try to explain those words for you, it’s a brief discription, not much.

theta:
brainwaves from 3hz to 8hz.
they are measured with an EEG machine. Theta brainwaves are often associated with dreaming, deep meditation, excetera.

neural noise synthesizer: a program that uses various sound techniques to bring your mind to an certain brainwave (and thereby a certain state-of-mind) www.transparentcorp.com

hypnagogic: when you fall asleep you can see shapes, spirals, or even whole “pictures”.

back to the subject.
i’m going to start to meditate again. (i hope ill stick to it this time, like i did the first time i started to meditate)

has anyone tips for making a good start?

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This may be because I am not as familiar with the certain types of meditation above mentioned, but I tend to meditate on something explicitly, meaning that I direct my conscious and unconscious thoughts towards something, namely a particular idea or scriptural passage. That way, I feel I am actually engaging my mind and being productive rather than simply relaxing or “contemplating nothingness” There are ways of doing this without being too focused so that you can’t relax. I’m not sure if this is the same sort of “mindful” meditation as mentioned above… This is I believe the type of meditation that is referred to in the Old and New Testaments - to think, contemplate, reflect, and consider (and even dream of?) a particular idea for the purpose of understanding it more deeply. It sometimes requires memorization during waking hours so that the memories are easier to retrieve while in less conscious states or fully asleep.