First of all, I absolutely love what you guys have here. I’ve been interested in Lucid dreaming my whole life. Unfortunately I was never aware that there were techniques possible to actually achieve a lucid dream on mostly command. So this is a small, hi, thanks alot.
After doing the relevant reading up I decided I wanted to try WILD with a WBTB if it didn’t go as planned. I was trying my hardest to WILD, I could feel the SP coming. My whole body was paralyzing itself, at first it was tingly and still knew movement would be possible but finally it was far enough that movement was indeed completely un-possible. My body was tingly, my eyes were trying to follow and make sense of the lights in my eyes, I believe the HI? It was then that everything became more detailed, the lights began to create detail and I saw the lights slowly push forwards with a side of darkness to it engulfing backwards as if it was being thrown through and over my eyes. My eyes felt like they were shaking or moving intensely fast. I believe this was the moment where taking the step into the LD would of been possible. Unfortunately I was absolutely unsure how to go further. My heart was racing at a higher rate and the feeling my eyes were having was hard to control. It felt like my eyelids were trying to throw themselves open during it. On top of that it was the stage where it was like the lights I had been previously watching, that felt a certain level away from me had moved so far forwards as to engulf me. That’s when the eye thing started.
This happened a total of three to four times each attempt unsuccessful to kind of take that step into the LD. I wasn’t sure how and I guess being my first attempt was a little worried or uncertain.
I’m now in a quick WBTB reading up on this so I can give it another attempt in a few minutes. But if anyone can give me some reassurance or some idea’s to kind of throw that door open instead of having my foot stuck in it trying my hardest to yank through. Sorry if it is an all but common start, I have tried to read as much as I can about it on the forum and wikia.
I think you’re a bit to focused on the HI experience and never let your body fall asleep.
The difficulty whit a WILD is to passivly observe the HI and let it continue while thinking “So that’s an HI ehh`?” and avoid building up exciment (Heart start to beat faster when you think "OHH AN HI!! I’M GONNA DREAM SOON!!).
The HI will eventually pass into a full dream in wich you can “enter” into and move your dream body, how long to wait? That’s different for everyone, but generally when your HI images is taking a real shape and you can clearly see yourself in a different landscape then it is a good time to try and “move your body”.
Thankyou, I do believe you’re right in the sense that I tried to follow the HI to a certain extent. The HI became an enormous face at the peak where my eyes began to move (or so it felt) rapidly. The face drew closer and closer and I seemed to concentrate to heavily on it and follow it.
It was hard though to dampen the excitement, it’s the fact that I’m finally taking the steps to Lucid Dream of own accord. Something I’ve always longed to do. So I’ll have to work towards it, but then again hard effort is required for all things worth it.
Thankyou for the welcome though and the advice, tonight I shall try again. Oh and as a quick Update, the WBTB failed as my body found it too bright outside. I couldn’t really relax. My body did go into SP but I couldn’t really make any further steps. Instead I shall try setting my alarm earlier this morning while still dark.
Firstly,
welcome to Ld4all!
I don’t think combining WBTB with WILD is a good idea.
WBTB is meant to raise your consciousness to dreams, lucid dreams generally and thats supposed to take those thoughts with you as you go to sleep through your subconscious therefore allowing you to become lucid in the dream.
The thing is, WILD is not about being aware consciously and subconsciously to your dreams.
The WILD method is simply supposed to take you into your dream, when mastered you will simply step into your dream, it won’t matter if you read anything about dreams before that. (of course, WBTB can’t hurt, and the more information you will digest regarding this subject, the better)
How long was your entire WILD attempt?
basically you just need to wait long enough for your body to go to sleep while maintaining your mind awake, there are several techniques for doing so.
the HI will get to the point where you will see as you are actually there a whole surrounding, you just have to wait long enough, the hard thing is not falling asleep.
When the HI is just vague colors, light or whatever it is you saw, its not enough.
Relax, breath deeply, feel your body going to sleep, and youll get to the point where the HI will be as I mentioned above. Then, you should also try focusing on staying awake, until the HI will become real, and consistent enough for you to enter it.
When you will reach this state, you will know.
Just be patient, keep trying, you’ll get it.
My WILD attempt was about an hour and a half long consisting of multiple attempts. Each of the attempts ended as above. Eyes moving rapidly, the dream or colors engulfing me but not yet forming anything as a true picture. My body was in full SP.
So if I understand what you’re saying, from the point I was at I should continue to be mindful of the HI but not be overly concentrated on it’s every movement. I should wait for the HI to become concrete and not actually fall asleep. If this regards the actually getting into the dream, then you would mean that I just have to wait be patient and it will happen of it’s own accord? Once it’s at that level, stepping into the dream should be simple yet still challenging. Well for me at least considering it’s the first steps and all. On top of that, it’s key to just stay awake right. And once you’re at that stage the transition, are you as yourself aware that the transition is taking place?
Also, it felt like my eyelids were trying to open themselves forcefully. I was trying to clench them shut to avoid them opening even in the slightest.
As a final note, as I awoke from slumber i had a FA. I was so obsessed with Lucid dreaming that I stepped out of my bed and to the door. I could feel the cold metal in the palm of my hand which led me to believe I was not dreaming. I walked upstairs, and to the kitchen. Almost all the details were correct apart from two trays being placed wrong. I filled up a glass with water, drank it and as it slid down my throat I woke up. I only note this because thinking back to it, it was an extremely exciting occurrence for me.
Anyhoo, thank you for the continuing advice and help. It’s nice to know I can rely on help to this and that there are people who know what they’re talking about.
All my lds so far ( ive had quite a lot) have been simply out of will, some MILD…
I’ve just recently started learning the WILD method, and I want to master it to see the effect, if any, it will have on my dreams plus its just a nice exercise, I usually just meditate lying on my back, until the HI starts getting real concrete.
Anyways,
an hour and a half is quite a long time. You are probably not relaxed enough or youre just moving parts of your body… a good idea before trying to WILD is to get your body into a deep physical relaxation. One way to do it is to inhale to a slow count of five, you can imagine the air is white, sparkling and bright, then hold that breath for another slow count of five, you should try feeling this white, sparkling, bright energy washing your body and try to enjoy it, then exhale for a slow count of five, while picturing your breath is a dark grey/black color containing all of the negativity and stress in you. You should repeat this process as much as necessary until you feel like your body is completely relaxed, to a minimum of five times total. After this a thing you can do is imagining a white glowing, sparkling sphere of light just beneath your legs, and let it travel upwards encompassing your feet, feel your feet being washed in this amazing bright light as the stress leaves them, let it travel upwards slowly, releasing the stress from your entire body (feet, calves, thighs … until you have finished with the head ) then just let it continue upwards towards the infinite universe.
After this whole process, your body should feel amazingly relaxed and success at WILD will be achieved much easier.
To your question, no, it will not happen of itself, but when you will reach the point where you should hop into your dream, you will realize it and be able to do it.
At all times, stay cool, relaxed, as still as possible.
Many sensations can be felt during the process such as suddenly feeling as if u are dropping through your bed or many other things, remain cool! keep your focus and awareness where they should be. Be patient, keep trying, you’ll get to the HI faster and faster and eventually you’ll get it.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Ariel
Thanks alot Ariel, it really does help. I will try again tonight and so forth, I’ll try to update this tomorrow with the results.
The relaxtion technique sounds amazing. I’ve never really given meditation a chance before in life but this kind of relaxtion technique, and not to repeat what I just said but, it sounds quite up-lifting. Hopefully I’ll be able to key into staying relaxed, which admittedly I found hard when I was at the peak of the SP. My body felt like it was being pushed into my bed and my heart was racing, on top of that I was extremely nervous.
But anyway, thanks once again, I’ll try it with all of this in mind.
complete SP, and feelings like you are being pushed to bed are good signs.
I think your major problem is having trouble remaining relaxed…
I wish you success
and sweet dreams
Enjoy
Last night wasn’t such a big success, I couldn’t stay focused to a HI. I seemed to keep drifting off into my own imagination instead of the HI. After an hour of attempts, and lesser SP I decided to sleep as I was feeling too tired to continue.
Tonight I shall try again, first read more though.
For me, focusing on the HI is irrelevant, when your body will go to sleep, it doesn’t matter what you focus upon as long as you keep your mind awake, the HI will come of itself becoming more and more concrete.
Did you try the relaxation exercises ?
SamChi, i am having the same problem as you are from the crazy eye movement, to the not knowing how or when to take that step into the dream. I guess it is difficult to understand how you can make that transition when you haven’t done it before but everyone i talk to just says that when its time i will know. So i guess thats what I’m going to do. I am going to try a WILD again tonight; in a few minutes actually and whatever happens i will try to let you kow how it went.
I tried it and it worked slightly but I couldn’t keep relaxed. At one point I was reaching a high point again but suddenly my arms shot up and moved. Not sure why that happened suddenly, it was like a jolt.
I might try the counting exercise until my body falls asleep. Perhaps it will prove more fruitful. If I understand the HI will come that way as well, of it’s own accord?
Last night I got a step closer to more detailed HI that seemed to pull me in, it was before the jolt.
And thank you Gregorahh, I hope you have more luck than me. Of course though I understand it will take time. I’m fully prepared to give it time though. I’ll keep at it.
yes. the HI will come of itself. It is not the result of you focusing on it, it is simply the result of you being in the hypnagogic state (mind awake, body asleep), when you reach that state your thoughts are more of the subconscious than the conscious and therefore are “translated” to video and audio. It does not matter what you focus upon as long as you can make your body asleep while keeping your mind awake.
Counting, relaxing, picturing yourself going down a stairway, they are all just methods, maybe you can find a better one for yourself. Whatever works for you is the right thing to do. The only objective is to let your body completely fall asleep while keeping your mind awake.
Don’t worry about things such as your arms moving up, you are probably just not relaxing, if it occurs, don’t think about it and continue as before.
As I see from your latest post, you are making progress so just keep practicing, you’ll get there! It takes more than a day to master WILD.
Ariel
Thanks so much for the vote of confidence. I’m fully motivated to get there eventually, as long as it takes.
After I had awoken I went back for another sleep. My dream recollection has been improving and I had managed to recall my dream in much more detail. Anyway, upon falling asleep, I awoke in a strange dream. It felt lucid yet I wasn’t really aware of it. It was extremely strange though. I was sleeping in the dream, I had found myself laying on the bathroom floor with my head resting on the bath itself. I had convinced myself this was reality and that I was so tired I had collapsed in the bathroom attempting to LD. I could even hear my father and his pheonce a few feet away outside the bathroom. I kept thinking to myself I have to get up and go back to my bedroom so they won’t start asking questions but I felt so incredibly tired and drowsy that I opened my eyes and just put my head in my arms upon the bath again.
I’m still working on RC’s but hopefully I can stay conscious enough to be able to perform the RC’s to realize it truly is a dream.
RC s are probably the best and most simple way of achieving an LD. I have never gained lucidity due to a reality check but after I discovered what it was I started doing them when I was lucid just for the fun (I never knew that i could breathe through a plugged nose when I was dreaming). Anyway, I believe that if you were to inhabit yourself to perform a RC every time you see a certain object, lets say glass, to the point where it becomes a reflex, so you will perform a reality check every time you will see glass without even thinking about it, at that point I believe you will definitely gain lucidity in your dreams, as in your dreams you are supposedly yourself and therefore when you will see glass you will for sure perform a RC only to realize you are dreaming.
Cheers
Ariel
okay i am starting to get frustrated now because i keep getting so close. Last night was the closest i have come to a WILD but it still wasnt all the way there. I laid there for about an hour or so until i was certain i was about to cross over. My heart would speed up then i would get tingly then i kept hearing the wierdest things. At one point i very clearly heard a mans voice say “um, Excuse me?” I was very strange. I think i just got so close but then right before i was about to cross over i fell asleep and forgot my conciousness or something. Oh well. I think i am going to try to lay off the WILD attempts for a while. Tonight i will go for the WBTB method and see how that goes.
The key is not to get frustrated! Remain positive, you are not trying for such a long time that you should feel frustrated, if you got so close in such a small amount of time you should feel good. It does not come in a day. The hardest part is not falling asleep… There are many methods to achieve that. Concentration is key, you can choose anything that draws your attention, breath, counting or anything that works for you.
Ariel
i dont have the energy to read all these responses so i apologize if im repeating someone but try finding an image in you HI and pick it up some times you can find yourself pulled by the image into dreamland
or just relax just keep watching count your breaths
I just had my first LD from the WILD technique. I don’t know if it was HI – I heard a strange static noise and I could see some images flowing past me. As you said, I tried to “catch” one of those images and get pulled in. If the image is out of reach, or you fail to catch it, just wait to another one.
Sorry for the extremely late reply, I’ve had to drop the LD attempts for the few days due to traveling around alot and the need for just normal sleep.
Anyway, thankyou for all the replies to this topic. I’ve learned alot and will continue to practice these methods from here on out. It’s been only a week and a bit and already my dream recall has improved, my attempts at WILD have not yet succeeded but do reach high points and over-all I’m finding it an extremely exciting process.
If I have anymore questions I’ll avoid cluttering up forums with tons of topics and revert to reading others or asking more here.
I think i am going to try to lay off the WILD attempts for a while. Tonight i will go for the WBTB method and see how that goes.