My Spirit Guide?

[Nuo]

I had a very vivid non-LD last night.

I was in a club/bar. It was virtually empty and a “punk” girl came in with blue hair gelled in long spikes and sang a song on the stage. I was in awe - I felt like I was in love (bare in mind this girl is no one I know in real life). So I came back to the club later to try and see her again. She showed, but this time her hair was shaved down really short (and was still blue), she did another performance but her amp got stolen by some guy. So i thought i’d chase him down and get the amp back so i could get to know her better, I followed him down a really dark street to his house. My friend somehow appeared (I’m not sure where in the dream) and gave me a leg up over his garden fence and distracted the man while i got her amp back. But when I returned (it gets quite vague here) the club had closed down and the girl had gone.

When I woke up I felt a massive sense of loss and couldn’t get her out of my head all day (and it’s Christmas!). I was wondering whether this could be my Spirit Guide and what peolpe think?

Thankyou,
Nuo.

[Dm7]

There’s one way to test if she’s ur gude or not. If she makes you lucid, then yes. Otherwise not.

Either that, I’m sure she has been a special person! I have had few dreams about that particular person that I had a strong feel toward that person. Strange indeed… and even now I still don’t know what it means and why.

hrugs: hehe

[_Darkness_Myth]

[i]i’ve 2 guides through dreams, one guide experience was weird though.

Normally my dreams are clear and unless i am awoken mid-dream can remember them for a long time, but being in close proximity to this woman made me feel drunk, I could barely read in the dream (normally I can read very well) Things were just being lost in memory, even during the dream i couldn’t remember much of what was happening when i was near her.

But i know she was important to me in some way. She was offering to help me with something letting me know time was short. Shame i don’t know what the hell that was.

The other person i feel intense feelings for, that i am totally in love with her. She doesn’t always look the same in the dreams i meet her but i always know when it’s her, there’s just this connection and I know.

I don’t know whether these are dreamguides, spiritguides or something different but i know they are important to me in someway. [/i]

Whether this person in your spiritguide no one can really tell you. Look inside yourself and contemplate this person, try and see what you feel about her emotionally and mentally and the answer to who she is may just come to you.

[Basilus_West]

Hi Nuo !
This girl was probably what the psychologist Jung calls “the archetype of anima”.
Jung classified the unconscious contents into some archetypes such as anima, animus, the Self, etc… According to Jung, anima and animus are defined respectively as the femaleness of a male and the maleness of a female in the unconscious.
When you meet your anima in a dream, you often experience a very strong and melancholic feeling of love… This feeling is very well described in my Verlaine’s favourite poem :

[i]My Familiar Dream
(Poèmes Saturniens: Mélancholia VI)

I often have this dream, strange and penetrating
of a woman, unknown, whom I love, who loves me,
and who’s never, each time, the same exactly,
nor exactly different, she knows me, she’s loving.

Oh she knows me, and my heart, growing
clear for her alone, is no longer a problem,
for her alone, she alone understands, then,
how to cool the sweat of my brow with her weeping.

Is she dark, blonde, or auburn? – I’ve no idea.
Her name? I remember it’s vibrant and dear,
as those of the loved that life has exiled.

Her eyes are the same as a statue’s eyes,
and in her voice, distant, serious, mild,
the tone of dear voices, of those who have died.[/i]

[grijn]

Wow. I knew the poem, but I’d never made the connection.

I really like the way you put “a very strong and melancholic feeling of love”… that perfectly describes something from a dream of mine that I had in November 2003:

I went downstairs, expecting, for some reason, to find her, but she wasn’t there. I can’t describe the emotion I felt at this: almost sadness but not quite. Perhaps it was sadness mixed with love or jealousy.

That was after seeing red flashes in the night sky and hearing explosions. The girl in question was a girl I had a thing for at the time. Isn’t it interesting to go back and examine these things with new knowledge?

What are some of the other typical feelings in dreams towards the other archetypes you mentioned, like the animus and the self?

[grijn]

@Dm7

There’s one way to test if she’s ur gude or not. If she makes you lucid, then yes. Otherwise not.

What do you base this on?

[Gothiclullaby]

@Dm7

There’s one way to test if she’s ur gude or not. If she makes you lucid, then yes. Otherwise not.

Hey! wow… so I have met her… for some reason I just became lucid when I was walking through this field with this woman in a long white dress with curly blonde hair to about her shoulders… wow… but whenever I called upon her after I became lucid (I didn’t that time, I had other people I needed to talk to) but somenoe else did come… there were 4 people wearing all the same type of clothes… from what I remember there was only one chick and she looked much different I asked her one question then got woken up… I don’t even remember what I asked her… or even her responce… so that really sucks… but hey… I feel much better now knowing that I actually have a spiritual guide.

[Basilus_West]

Dm7 wrote: There’s one way to test if she’s ur guide or not. If she makes you lucid, then yes. Otherwise not.
grijn wrote : What do you base this on?

Here is a (rather long, sorry) excerpt from a Pr Paul Tholey’s article about this phenomenon.

@Paul Tholey

In addition to the lucidity of the dream‑ego, the “lucidity” of the other dream characters also plays an important role in their communication. In order to avoid misunderstanding, we can never empirically prove whether or not other dream characters are lucid, only that they speak and behave as if they were. Elsewhere I have argued that many dream figures seem to perform with a “consciousness” of what they are doing (Tholey, 1985; 1989a). Some of our unpublished work on the lucidity of other dream figures (in the sense just described) includes examples which seem to indicate that the dream‑ego becomes lucid first. This is followed by the other dream figures attaining lucidity. On the other hand, we have many examples of reverse order. We can illustrate this by means of an example in which another dream character not only becomes lucid before the dream‑ego, he also possesses a higher degree of lucidity than the dream‑ego later achieves. This abbreviated form of the dream was reported by a woman and can be found in Reis (1989b):

        "I dreamed that I had forced myself through a grey and slimy mass. I didn't know then and I still don't know what it was. It was unpleasant, but for some reason I had to force myself through it in order to advance further. Then, in the midst of this grey slime, I came to a brightly lit place with a person standing in the center. I could see that it was Mr. Spock, the scientist of the Enterprise (the spaceship of the television series 'Startrek'). He told me, 'There is no reason to worry because you are dreaming!' I did not believe him and I asked him what it was that I  had just passed through. He answered that I had just passed through my own brain, or my own mind. I did not believe him, but he knew so much more than I did and he told me he would jump up and then remain in mid‑air, just so that I would be able to see that we were part of a dream. Only after this actually took place was I convinced that I was in a dream. Then I said that I would never have found out by myself that I was dreaming. He replied that he knew that and that was why he was there. He also said that he knew much more than me anyway and that was the way it should be right then. He explained the meaning of my path in a very plausible manner... He also explained why it was not necessary to know all this right from the start and that he only explained it later on so that I wouldn't be afraid anymore. Anyway, he told me all kinds of things and showed me things that I did not believe right away. I think it was great to have someone acting in a dream who knew much more than I did."

  The dream character of Mr. Spock may be characterized as standing for the so‑called internal self‑helper (ISH) who gives important advice to the dreamer for her dream and daily lives. Our previous findings suggest that one can arrange a meeting with an ISH by means of a suitable pre‑sleep suggestion. While lucid dreaming, one can also arrange meetings with the ISH for a dream in the future.

  One often finds an ISH at a place which is difficult to reach and which can be brightly lit (as in the example with Mr. Spock), or which is situated high up. There are examples in which one has to climb to the top of a mountain where one meets an ISH who calls himself a monk, a guru, or possibly a psychotherapist. Others pass themselves off as guardian angels or helpful ghosts (for an example, see Tholey 1984). We also have examples of cases where an ISH knows certain things from the dreamer's past ‑ things which the dreamer himself is not aware of even after waking up, but which further investigation has shown to be true. Suitable phenomenological experiments are necessary to achieve further clarification concerning this important component of lucid dreaming.

@grijn

What are some of the other typical feelings in dreams towards the other archetypes you mentioned, like the animus and the self?

About animus, I don’t know… cause I’m not a girl ! The character of animus is often a mysterious and not really beautiful but attractive man with sombre air (a “beau ténébreux”) and a wild or savage behavior. You can typically find this “dark stranger” character in the feminine litterature, for instance Heathcliff’s character in Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte (but he is a rather negative animus ).

Archetypes can be expressed in dreams, but also in fairy tales, movies, etc. It’s rather difficult to define a specific feeling, because it depends of the nature of repressed thoughts and urges and your relations with subconscious.
Other archetypes can be an old wise man, an omniscient child, etc. The Self is often represented as a geometrical shape or object ( a mandala, a crystal, the Philosophal Stone, etc. ). The Shadow (our repressed character traits) is often related with fear, and represented as a dark-clothed, masked character (like Darth Vader or Zorro ).

Feelings associated with meeting archetypes in dreams are very strong (whatever they are), the dream is particularly vivid and seems strange and significant.