I don’t like uncertainty and ever since I have been reading about lucid dreams uncertainty has been brought into my life. Someone prove to me that this is real and not a dream. The thought that this could be a dream is a chilling one for me, and a very scary one, that almost brings tears to my eyes when I consider it. And if this is a dream I don’t think I want to know. Does anyone know the feeling I’m talking about? That anything could happen and you aren’t really protected by the laws of reality. True, if this is a dream nothing can physically hurt me but the pain would be just as real. And, I guess I just want to know that there is reality.
I don’t really expect a response, I’m just sort of throwing this out into the void (although it would be nice to hear one.) I know that my own existence is the only thing hat can be proven to me. But just considering that this might not be real, or that their is no real, is sickening. Is there anyway I can be sure this is real RCs don’t always work and philosophically existence of anything except your own consciousness can’t be proven. It is a very lonely thought–and one that seems ridiculous when talking to people, but the idea that a dream is a dream often seems ridiculous as well. I just want to KNOW that the world exists, for sure. Is that so much to ask?
Why do RC’s not always work? they most def work for me everytime i do one in the real world.
Oh good god no, I mean just because it works doesn’t mean your not dreaming–I’m thinking about existence philosophically; I’m not insane!
I had the exact same feeling around a time. But now, I know that I am here for some reasons: I’m here to grow, to get a job and live my life. Yesterday and today I must take BIG exams, and while revising I told myself “This just cannot be a dream”. In a dream you have no real goal, and it only takes place in your mind. There’s nothing to be worried about, this is reality 
Are you sure? You could be apart of someone else’s dream and just THINK you exist.
Whether this is “real” depends on your view I suppose. This is A reality of one form or another, it just might not be the reality we think.
but ask yourself is it really important? is this real, is that real… i think it is not important… if aliens abducted you and took you to another planet, what would you do? die? no of course not, you would have to do your best to survive in that reallity…
if you are in a coma and dreaming one long lucid dream is it not better than beeing dead…(lets not get into the debate what it is like when you are dead)… did you se movie “la vita e bella”? the life that the father is illusioning his kid with is not real, far from it, but how many of you think he shouldnt have done it?
dont think to much about those questions, think about that for as long as it feeds your mind but not so much that it bothers you!!!
you have a situation in front of your eyes, deal with that, not with the point and reallity of the situation, let THEM think about that if it is too much… whoever THEY are…
one more thing… what is real now doesnt have to be real tomorrow, all our point of view changeing all the time, isnt that also changing of reallity? dont worry about it to much, questioning life is great but missplacing it because of it ISN’T!
Well, tis a question of the ages. If you want me to assure you of reality, you’ll be waiting for a long time. Everything you see is a result of your senses telling you what little they can detect-- you’re looking right through billions of air molecules right now, shouldn’t you be able to see them somehow?
And what were you saying about your existance? I just read in Time magazine about how one’s mind is made up of all these concious processes, all taking turns, and that the brain just rationalizes them into one big “I”. So much for that.
I could go on for hours, but my head is starting to hurt. Somehow the phrase “exploding eyeballs” comes to mind.
P.S. Despite this denial of reality and self-existance, I’m still going to finish my homework tonight. You could say I’m not putting my money where my mouth is. I guess most people don’t, either.
Sorry for the double post, but I just had to quote this for truth. So QFT it is.
Happy existance, trevorlsciact.
But, that is still existence, no? You can have a thousand theories of what the self is, and weather I am the only one who uses it of if it is only a part of a larger consciousness I know that something exists, what ever is required to give the illusion of thought and mind to me exists–I consider that me. I don’t know that my physical body exists, or that my mind has existed for longer than an instant, but I know that I’m tapping into something to allow thought, and self awareness, no matter what the self is.
I’m not trying to single you out or anything, I’m just curious, because I see it pretty often on these forums…
Do you really not know that there is an edit button?
That why I say
“Mastering Reality Paranoia”
Your dreams are made to test you as you were in reality, in order to achieve good DILD you must test your reality all the time. This could be considered being paranoic, I guess.
you can’t prove that anything is real. it’s not possible. you can say that you are the only one that exists and everything else is a figment of your imagination. it’s called solipsism.
I feel like that sometimes, but usally I think that it would be intresting.
I think, therefore I am.
You can’t really prove anything beyond a doubt. There’s always doubt. You just have to accept that if this is a dream, so be it.
The matter is knowing how to notice if this is reality.
In dreams your reality is bound to your imagination. How would be your environment if you could control it?
It’s not just looking at it and realise oh it’s just a dream (yea that happens, but not very often), you must learn to RC first.
Anyway, we are talking about reality testing, not just about dreaming itself. I just know that I can’t control this world when I’m thinking of awareness. so, until now, i think this reality exists, still many moments, I may find myself confused about it, this should be normal for every LDer, I guess.
No, I’m not sure about this reality, maybe this is just another layer of dreaming, of an infinite cycle, since the beggining of the time, who knows?
Maybe we are just Dream Characters, and if the person who is dreaming learns to LD, the world may explode!! 
We cannot prove our reality…
If a question ever scares me I just go back to my initial beleif:
We are like ants trying to comprehend human’s ideas.
Some questions are way too big for us to know or even begin to understand. We’re human… We depend on patterns and consistency. If something is inconsistent it scares us. But that is one of the limitations of the human mind. We’re like ants waiting to evolve…once you evolve further im sure everything will be easier to understand and less frightening.
Wouldn’t it be fun to try to define “real” first, then try to prove that “this” is real?
So. Where to start. Reality as opposed to dreaming I guess is defined as the state of consciousness we associate with everyday life. But that is still not what reality is. We should have some sort of physical universe as we all experience. But ofcourse that is just an experience.
How about something objective? Something outside of all minds. Well. We don’t know anything that is outside our mind, that’s impossible. I guess we’re stuck with experience for now.
I personally am experiencing this, now. And also I am experiencing having this experience. I guess that can go on forever. But, I think that, my experience must exist. Wich makes it, real.
For the rest of you out there, if you exist, you don’t have this experience.
You know what, this is leading me nowhere. I can’t define “real”… yet. Other than, it has something to do with experience, or no experience. At least, it has an effect on experience. Or could it be the other way around?
The only difference between waking life and the dream world is the degree of stability in the experience.
On the other hand, your own existence is borne out by Existence itself, and that should be a little comforting, certainty or no.
The Rev
Funny, I’d have thought that would be a good thing…
