has anyone been able to strip their dreams down to the core remnants of conscoiusness in such a way as to experience dream content not as a dream but more as a hypnagogic psychedelic experience?
i’m not sure if you could or not since traditional psychedelic phenomenon are created by sensory input, and the brain is systematically blocking sensory input out while in REM [more or less] so that you can have a dream…
but where do the pieces of the dream come from? if you’ve seen the cover of Dark Side of the Moon with the prism distoring white light into a rainbow… perhaps you could do that with your dream reality, distort it into its innermost components.
i guess it would be different than dreaming of having a psychedelic experience, it would be more like going back into the hypnagogic state and perhaps initiating an astral projection ? or opening the third eye and releasing DMT?
you are everything in your dream so it seems like some pretty interesting stuff could happen, but dream realities tend to be somewhat stable and realistic.
i ask in part because it would be fun
and in part because i think it would help you understand where the dream itself comes from… where does it come from, when you’re in it, where do the new items pop up from, what is their source? surely there is a sub subconscious, where you can watch the birthing of dreams from… you can witness this if you fall asleep consciously but what if you are lucid then what.
Actually the term psychedelic actually means “Mind manifesting” or some variety of it. Wich means that a dream, coming from only the mind is by definition psychedelic. I haven’t tried psychedelic drugs but I’m sure there is a big difference in the experiences. That is not to say that it cannot be reproduced in a dream to some extent. In fact, the sensory input is probably mostly a distraction. You could view dreaming or rather sleeping, as a sensory deprivation tank. Without the tank.
If it may help you in understanding how dream works: instead of having inputs from sensory inputs, it comes through neurons of the cortex firing randomly.
You don’t need to have a “dream psychedelic experience” - BTW, I don’t understand exactly what you mean by this - to watch the birthing of dreams. IMO, on the contrary, it will just block the observation. You need to be in the quietest state to observe. You can observe how thoughts and HI appear in the hypnagogic state or through meditation.
In LD’s, to do this, you have to erase the dream and be in the “black void”. When you’re in the black void, you can wait to see how the dream reappears.
and krakatoa you are correct about dreams technically being “psychedelic” in the literal sense of the word, however they have markedly different characteristics from the psychedelic state, and even the supposed astral projections or hypnagogic states.