Question about SP/HI

mod questions about SP belong in the stuff forum :moogle: [/mod]

From my experience with WILD, I rarely had SP as described by most people, to me SP only appears when I begin the WILD when I’m extremely tired and only right before the dream starts, and it feels much more a dream than reality, I guess most people will think it the optimal way to WILD, not much effort needed and no scary HI or what so ever that appears normaly in SP.
The problem is that it’s extremly rare and also rarely I had full SP and HI like in the WILD descriptions, and actualy getting SP means that I’m 99% close to get LD.
Because there is no information in any article about how and when ussualy a person achieves SP I wanted to know from you.
How do you actualy get SP (and therfore HI), does it happen only when you are totally relaxed, and how much time since you started concentrating on what you chose you actualy begin to get SP and HI?

Thanks to anyone that will answer.

SP happens in a certain sleep stage, I can’t remember straight away which one it is. The most fool-proof way for me to get SP is to wake myself up from a LD…but i guess that is useless as it already requires a LD. The second best way to get SP is to be really sleepy, and try WILD!

HI is easier to get than SP. For me, it gets most intense if i am very sleepy, and something is mildly disturbing my falling asleep. Music usually works well. :cool:

SP is a part of REM sleep, so it’s no wonder it happens right before the dream starts. And if you really want to experience it, try to WILD in the morning!

I don’t usually experience it even when I actually succeed at WILD.

Inever get Hi, but i wild all the time? what exactly am i supposed to see?

When you close your eyes you will see different colours, often red, purle or black (or all together). Pay attention to these colors as you do WILD and they will evolve into more detailed images.

thanks. But how is it possible that a have wilded without witnessing this?

I don’t see these colors.

I see flashes of white lightning or white fire that disappear in an instant… and I continue to see darkness… even in SP.

Am I doing something wrong? AM I NORMAL, MOMMY?! :cry:

For reply 4, it normal, I too had this situation, I went sraight to the dream state once Iv’e focused on something (when WILD worked for me).
For the response above me, this is normal, from what I know everyone expererience different stuff.
BTW last night I figured how to get it and had WILD, my HI is not exactly visual, maybe some blured visuals and colors, but the main thing is that during this phase I feel like a computer as I feel an endless stream of information flow through my mind with undecypherd sound and thoughts, this is an extremly heavy feeling, does it feel heavy for most ppl?

heavey feeling… meh? I feel like my soul is escaping my body, like im sinking. I then begin to shake and then i enter my dream world :tongue:

Hmm I don’t know if heavy is the correct term to describe this feeling, it more like my mind is overloading, fortunaly the HI phase can’t stop once I’m feeling this so I preety much end up in my dream, if I handle the overload I ussualy will end up in a dream.