Okay the subconcious. Hmm what to say or where to begin… First off Id like some feedback on what others think it is. A dormant soul? The underlying pattern of human nature and thought? A personal link to the after-life? Explain in detail.
But the point of this is to determine it’s role. In Lucidity and our day-to-day. Sub- as in subconcious, gives it a lower conentation. Lower, meaning what exactly? Less important? Farther from our control? Deeper meaning? I’d like to ponder that for a while…
The subconscious mind exists as a safeguard, since the conscious mind, in spite of all it’s lofty ambitions, is effectively useless when it comes to matters of real import.
If the conscious mind had full control over the body, rest assured, we would all be dead.
I can follow that…
We can’t live fully conscious, even while awake. Can you imagine: Deliberating every heartbeat, every muscle involved in every motor skill, the tuning of every ligament in your voice box for every sound you make…
Living without any such thing as “background noise,” since you’re aware of every conversation on every table around you as well as every atom surfing over each other in the air. Even the sound of the buildings expanding and contracting in the changing temperature of day and night, you’re listening to it. You’d notice, and fully experience, every strand of hair, every thread in the clothes you wear, every interlocking webby crumb of each bite of bread, every ridge of skin that makes your fingerprint.
Imagine never “only” reading, but being aware of how you read-- having to be aware that each of these letters are just symbols for sounds that put together make meaning, that there are 26 of them, that you’d be able to recognize them both in print and cursive and all the possible “fonts” in between-- and you can see the letters at all because of the way light is crafted onto this computer monitor, blaring away from this screen, and seeping into your eyeballs. And you’re also aware of every detail of how your eyeballs work. Every cell, every organelle, every molecule going about its business-- you’re conscious of it, and having to deliberately initiate it every moment.
All of this is not even a millionth of what you can be aware of-- simultaneously.
That’s what I believe the subconscious is: the privy of everything we sense, that doesn’t make it past our information filter and into our conscious. Maybe it’s not necessarily because that information is less important, just that the focus of our conscious-ness doesn’t swing that way. It’s all very well to be in the moment and just bear witness to the wonder and perfection of the detail in the world around us, but the filter and focus is required for us to actually live, learn and take action.
I believe the super-conscious, or meta-conscious (perhaps metaphysical awareness,) is the driving purpose and meaning that is meant to make sense of all this information. The overlap makes the conscious. While the conscious is within the sub- and super- conscious, however, the conscious sees both sub and super as outside of itself, out-of-conscious… so, lumps them all into subconscious.
I can follow that too… System overload
If something bad happens and you feel angry/afraid, and you go on with your day , that emotion, a couple of hours into the future will probably still be there. Even if you’ll be consciously dealing with something else. You are subconsciously feeling that. It’s not really out of your awareness, you just have to be aware of it.
Right now, stop what you’re doing, physically and mentally, and just feel all the emotions that are inside of you, try to go as deep as you can. you’ll probably remember some things that are bothering you, maybe even from a couple of months/years back. You’ll find that those emotions are still there. And even while you’re at a party dancing and being very happy, there’s still this tension ‘under the radar’. Follow me ? …
On a different level, the subconscious knows everything, it’s a computer.
For example.
Let’s say that you’re given a geometry problem (I find that it’s very easy to understand with this example). You get 2 triangles , a few pieces of data and you need to find out a missing piece… etc… When you just look at it, your subconscious mind already knows the answer, it already calculated the answer. It’s just an understanding of the situation, without consciously analyzing it. Just like when you hear music, you can clap your hands to the beat even if you know nothing about music. Cause your subconscious mind understands it all, just like a computer , and it is where experience is created. That’s why you can subconsciously clap your hands easily to any beat. However, if you try to consciously analyze when to clap your hands and try to find the right time to do it, you’ll very likely fail…
If we’re talking about the effect it has on our lives.
Think about this, let’s say that someone is trying to quit smoking. He’s ‘a smoker in his subconscious’. It’s a part of him. Now, if he tries to act differently , he hits a brick wall. That’s why procrastination is such a bitch. The conscious mind has no power. It’s an analytic tool. If you try, as most people do, to change your habits, your feelings, etc… consciously, you’re going to hit a huge force of resistance. If that person changes himself (IN HIS MIND) from a smoker to a non smoker, low and behold, he will not WANT to touch a cigarette. All the things you want to do are driven out of your subconscious impressions of yourself and your life. When you change them, you change yourself and you change your life.
The subconscious isn’t something that’s in the dark.
Your subconscious is YOU.
You may want to read this whole post all over again while switching the words subconscious/subconscious mind with You/Yourself.
Everything seems smart, I never fail to clap my hands though… I am a music genius though pardon.
Smoking thing. That was insightful and helpful.
Edited together 2 posts. 
My views right now, are that a significant function of the sub-conscious is in dealing with patterns, maybe all of it’s function. Pattern recognition and pattern following especially. When you first learn to drive, you must be aware of how you operate each control, as you get better, you think less about how hard to push the accelerator and more about how fast you want to go. Less about how to change gear and more about which gear is appropriate. Eventually, if you drive the same route every day for months, it will be recorded as a pattern on top of a pattern on top of a pattern, presto… You get in your car and you simply play the pattern back, just as you do when you walk. (This can be seen in the weird sensation of getting to your destination and not recalling the journey very well at all) It can have consequences at times, if you go into autopilot inappropriately your focus drifting elsewhere and playback the wrong pattern. I’ve done this several times at work serving customers.
I don’t believe that the sub-conscious is a mystical force that keeps us out of danger. It’s a part of you. I don’t like the boundary put up between ‘concious’ and ‘sub-concious’ mind, if you take a single part of an engine, it alone is useless to you in getting the car going. (Yes I like my car analogies 
) I guess I don’t like to fixate on a single part of a whole and say it’s the key part.
I think there is something in what you say, if you just decide, I’m going to quit, then you will likely fail. If you think about why you want to quit, it will help. You have to break the pattern you are used to, to quit. Smoking however is a biological addiction, it’s not just as easy as breaking the pattern to quit. There will be a reaction by your body to the lack of nicotine. You need to be aware of why and believe you can and will over-ride that reaction, until it fades.
I also don’t agree the conscious mind has no power, it is equally as powerful as the sub-concious, not that I see much point in comparing the two. Without some form of concious reasoning, if you touch a hot cooker, it hurts, your sub-concious reaction is to fear the cooker. Now I doubt it would be helpful if we all were petrified of cookers, which is where concious reprogramming is in order. To me, its just a part of you necessary to function, in fact, if I’m truly honest, it is a conceptual of a part of you, that fits into a bigger theory about how we operate. I don’t believe it knows everything, I don’t believe it is an it at all, to me it’s a function of your mind, which is the ‘it’ here.
Computers are not smart, any programmer with tell you, computers are incredibly stupid, they make up for it by being incredibly fast.
I like your unifying philosophy with this sort of thing, but I find your insistence upon this simply impractical. It’s like, while I’m all for unifying the mind and body myself, being into yoga and tai chi, I wouldn’t change my language to refer to each “part” of my body (that, according to my philosophy, should never ever be a-part) as ME. That’ll be troublesome, when I go to the doctor and say “I hurt” instead of “My stomach hurts”-- it would be impossible for him to make a diagnosis. “Where does it hurt?” “Me.” “Would you say it’s a stabbing pain, or a blunt pain?” “I am pain.” “Right…”
I’ve had lightning bolts of revelation come from someone saying, “Think of [dream character] as YOU,” and I’ve written pages upon pages ranting against Greek philosophy forming the base of a system that removes things from context instead of accepting it as part of a context-- a context in and of itself-- But, this axiom of identity, “subconscious=you”, I personally find far too vague.
Or, like Green Dragon said
I find it more helpful, just personally, to sometimes make the distinction between the engine and the driver, even if the best way to drive at some level is to become one with the wheels and the way.
I believe that our human minds can’t comprehend what is us(sub concious) but deep down we do.
Have you ever asked your SG these questions?
Here’s the thing. Really , there’s no such thing as the conscious mind as an independent entity. It simply does not exist.
When people refer to the conscious mind , they either refer to the Beta mind. Meaning, the mind while operating (on a physical level) in Beta brainwaves. In this state (or this state is) , it operates as an analytical tool, no more no less.
Emphasis on TOOL. It has literally NO power to drive you to do anything. Absolutely NONE.
The other thing people will refer to as the conscious mind is the attention mind. Or in other words, what we can be aware of. But think about this. If you are faced with a riddle, you can try to connect all the pieces together consciously (using the Beta mind) to solve it, or you can look at the situation and just try to feel the solution. Usually, solutions come from feelings. From ‘subconscious’ activity. And if they come from beta analytics, the understanding that you have the solution and the understanding of the solution itself will also still come from feelings.
We can understand this better through the words of dreamwalker.
“I believe that our human minds can’t comprehend what is us(sub concious) but deep down we do.”
What he refers to as the mind is the conscious mind. The beta mind. The level of existence with facts and figures. The level of analytics.
What he refers to deep down is the ‘subconscious’.
But it still exists. It’s still here. Just in a different form. It doesn’t exist (for now) in the form of words , shapes, and figures. But if you look at that place deep down inside of you, you will find some feeling. Some understanding, you will find something, maybe it won’t be perfectly clear, and maybe you won’t really get anything out of it. But you can still feel it. You can still see it. It’s still there. Just in a different form. A ‘subconscious’ form. But humans were conditioned to identify themselves as a conscious thing. They forgot to pay attention to those deeper things even though they clearly exert a lot of power on their life.
Emotions are what drives you to act. It’s never conscious thinking.
Think about it. The food you choose to eat, the things you choose to do now, the parties you go to , the friends you spend time with. Everything you do right now is driven by emotional energy.
On a bigger level, it’s driven by deeper emotions.
For example, the pure act of going and searching for jobs, trying to find money, thinking about money, which is like something that most people just because, is driven because they are at some level afraid to not have money. If you really and honestly look at your life, you’ll find that the vast majority of your actions, if not all of it, is to some degree created by fear.
Emotions from our far past control us. You aren’t necessarily consciously (as in the attention mind) afraid of not having money right now but on a deeper level, you are, otherwise you wouldn’t go to search for money. This is not to say that if you weren’t afraid you wouldn’t need to get money. But it’s just to get you thinking about what’s actually driving you to wake up in the morning, do the things you do, starting from brushing your teeth, to doing your exercise, going to your job, going back to sleep, the whole process of living is based on choices that you take which are based on emotions that are driving you to take them.
But see, this fear that I’m talking about, even though it’s not consciously here. (or any other emotion ) It’s still here on a deeper level (on a ‘subconscious’ level).
See, if you just suddenly now realized that you do have this fear, or any other emotion for that matter, you just became conscious of something that you were subconsciously feeling.
Subconscious doesn’t mean anything else but that it’s out of your immediate awareness.
Here’s another thing for you.
Emotions are actually also choices that you make.
If you’ll look at a kid that banged his head, you’ll probably find out that he’s looking to see if his parents are around or not in order to decide whether to cry or not.
Think about this,
let’s say that you have a lot of things you want to do and you just don’t get them done.
You start feeling nervous, thinking that you won’t make it in time etc…
This feeling isn’t something that’s happening to you.
You CHOOSE to feel this feeling because on some level , on a deeper (subconscious level) you actually believe that it’s useful for you. That’s simply because you were taught that you need to get stressed in order to get things done. So you start telling yourself about all those things that you ‘need’ to do. And then you start to feel nervous and tense about not doing them because you actually believe that you have to feel this way in order to get yourself to do them.
The sad thing is that those emotions will always just keep you away from doing the things you want to do…
Things might happen automatically, as a result of habits. You might feel certain feelings, make certain choices and do certain things in an automatic fashion. But just because you’re not paying attention (being ‘conscious’) to them, doesn’t mean they’re non existent. You still feel them on a deeper level. You still choose to make those choices on a deeper level. Because everything you do and feel is a choice you make on some level of your being.
Elly:
It’s important not to confuse the things you feel, do, etc with what you are. It’s like the eye identifying herself with what it sees. You are consciousness. You can feel feelings and you can touch things, but you are not them. You are consciousness.
Just like the eye can’t see itself, consciousness can’t experience itself. It’s a nice paradox for you.
You can feel a pain in your stomach. You can feel anger. But you can’t be an angry person. Sure, people say, ‘I’m an angry person’, ‘I have no will power.’ But did you ever meet a person which is ALWAYS angry ? If I paint a table in black, is it a black table ? Or is it a table painted in black ? …
The table in itself is still a table. Black is just a color that’s painted on it.
By the way, physical pain is also something that we very often like to induce to ourselves out of very old feelings. Such as wanting to feel bad to avoid school. I know this may sound too bizarre and I really don’t want you to believe anything I say. In fact, I urge you not to. But I do think it will be helpful for you to experiment with changing your beliefs & emotions and see the effects it has on your life. That’s the only way you’ll be able to really understand.
Eventually, in the most literal sense possible. The subconscious is YOU.
The conscious mind is just a tool. A flashlight (as in the attention mind) and an analytical processor.
I’m in the process of working on a free course to let people know how to control their feelings and how to cure things that they kept with them for years and years. Also, how to program themselves and change their inner reality to create outer changes. If you’ll be willing enough to participate , I’m sure you’ll find it extremely liberating and completely mind stretching. I intend to show that you really can and should feel good and have all the things you desire and more. And I intend to teach everyone how to get them. peace ^^
Relv, love ya posts. Long, detailed, and thorough. Not done but I like, or progressed in my thinking, by reading the portion on fear driven actions. Keep it coming.