Last night I tried some WILD. I got some hypnagogia. After a while, I woke up, went to the bathroom and returned to bed. As soon as I closed my eyes, I could still see a dimmed image of what I was seeing before closing my eyelids (a still image of a part of my bed). I tried moving my head a bit and focusing on rolling the image a bit, which I succeded, to make sure I didn’t have my eyes partially open.
It’s the second time it happened. Can anybody explain this? This also happens sometimes during HI.
I’ve had a similar experience that was kind of weird. I was out in the forest, meditating. I was sitting down with my eyes closed, trying to completely “let go” of everything: thoughts, feelings, body, mind. At one point, my thoughts stopped and it was as if I had opened my eyes because I suddenly saw the world, except my eyes were still closed. It only lasted a moment before I snapped back, but I could see everything in perfect color and detail for a moment.
It may have been some kind of waking dream or perhaps I entered the astral plane for a moment, I don’t know. But apparently seeing without eyes is possible.
I noticed this a few times, too, but it always turned out my eyes had been a small slit open. Also, it is possible to see big shapes even with your eyes closed (close your eyes and move your head, you can still see where your monitor is), so it might be a combination of actual vision and HI.
yea this happens to me everytime I try WILD and after a while I figured out that whenever I try to WILD I usually do astral projection instead of entering a dream, but that may be because I only try WILD whenever I first go to bed at night.
My thought on why you see blurry hand shapes is because there is probably some light in your room, so when you move your hand in front of your face your blocking out just enough light to make the blockage noticable to your eyes.
I’ve tried the same thing except in a room that was pitch black, absolutely no light or LEDs or anything. And I could still see my arms moving with my eyes closed. Eyes open, I couldn’t see anything.
Experiment:
Yes, I know, this may sound silly, but it’s the easiest thing I came up with that you can try without assistance:
Construct a pendulum by fixing a piece of string to a large object (as large as a hand) and hang it from a suitable point. When you can see your hand through your eyelids in a pitch black room, give the pendulum a small push and try to follow its motion with your eyes closed. After about half a minute (I hope the pendulum moves long enough), grab the mmoving pendulum with your eyes closed to make sure it really is where you “see” it.
Hope that made sense. The room should be pitch black and dead silent (so you don’t hear the position), and the pendulum should have the room temperature (to make sure you don’t feel the warmth emmitted by it).
If anyone actually does this, please post your results.
Lucidity_Master, it’s absolutely pitch black when I try this. I suppose we have the habit to see our hands when they move in front of us and the brain recreate the visual feeling of this movement when our eyes are closed.
mmm i think i posted something like this somewhere - lazy much - so i wont bother finding it.
however it went something along the lines of…
the spectrum of light that we can actually see is quite fragile - and narrow, cannot pass through hardly anything you see. although, if you meddle with the frequency enough, you get energy waves that can pass straight through something as thin as eyelids…or y’know.
you are used to seeing the “visible” spectrum of light… and when you are in a dark room (i’ve blindfolded myself, in a dark room) the “visible” light is blocked out, and you are free to expirience any extra-visible light range frequencies and all that is left coming at you is the higher or lower frequency energies that can pass through blindfolds, eye lids etc…
try this in a pitch black room, blindfolded… it is astounding.
i’ll have to find my old post, becuase this one simply made the kind of sense that doesnt.
I’ve had this same experience. I’ll be in bed doing WILD, and I have sleep paralasys. I see an image light up in my head of my room. I can look around, and everything is exactly how it normally is. I even looked under my bed and it was the same. That kind of rules out the theory of open eyes for me…
my apologies, i have the time to make some sense now.
you say this occured after you had gotten out of bed - and i assume were exposed to light.
try this…
secluded yourself in a completely dark room, and introduce a sudden light source - a flash from a camera is the best, second to that - flicking the light switch on and then off again quickly will work.
when this happens, what do you expirience? the last image you saw is almost “burned” into your eyes. could this have been what you expirienced?
and as for what i was attempting to say earlier, the full spectrum of light given off by objects, machines, the human body etc… is far greater then that of the visible spectrum. it is very well possible that when the visible spectrum is darkened, or blinded… one can pick up on the “non-visible” portions of the spectrum.
don’t think anything but visible light can impact your sight?
wrong. one of those fancy east coast universities did a study - with electromagnets as i recall, strong ones… they introduced the current to the portions of the brain responsible for processing imagery and sight - creating images of there own. additionally, in attempts to restore sight to the blind, sensors firing a grid of lights to a blind pt’s brain, projects just that, a grid of lights to represent shapes picked up by the sensor, artificially induced sight, or rather - sight induced by energy not falling into the exact wavelengths of the visible spectrum of light.
think of how many of these non visible lights and energies are just bouncing about - i am certain that those who can see them, see them - 24/7 (or however long your looking at things that is) but, you are trained to notice visible light… so when visible light is removed, (and these wavelengths can zap right through your measly eyeballs just like my x-ray goggles promised to spy through walls) your brain tries to process this incoming energy the only way it knows how - as a visual image.
That experiment affected the brain not the eyes. So you didn’t see those radio waves, there was noise induced in your brain. As for invisible wavelengths, the only things that can be produced in these conditions are infrared waves.
The reason you can see only light is physical, not psychologic. The cells on the retina can be stimulated only on that spectrum.
Experiment to confirm: power up an infrared LED in a dark room. You won’t see anything (unless you take a picture of it with your camera). Try using a TV remote control for example.
I agree with maxdamage. The retina cells are only affected by the visible spectrum, in an optical way. Then you can create images (or phosphenes) by other ways which involve different parts of the visual processing in the brain.
You can create phosphenes by pressure on the eye globes: then poor retina cells send electric signals which are interpreted as light. When you receive a sudden flash of light, what you see eyes closed is retinal image persistence. Retina cells were overstimulated and they continue to send signals many seconds after the real signal stopped.
You can create phosphenes too by electric or magnetic stimulation of the optical nerves or visual cortex. This generally create random phosphenes. But in the experiment you talk about, they managed to create an image by sending pixels to choosen neurons in the visual cortex.
So I don’t think we can “see” by the way you said. But I’ve another explanation:
First point: in the late XIX, von Reichenbach, a chimist, noticed that some people could “see” magnets in the total dark. And in the 90’s, Pr Rocard leaded experiments with water diviners and noticed they were sensible to faint electromagnetic fields.
Second point: some people are called synesthesists. They “see” sounds, flavours or smells. This is possible because different senses are mixed in the part of the brain which is called angular gyrus. In their case, the mixing is not well performed, so that they see colours when they hear a note, a vowel, etc.
Thus I suppose that some unknown and faint sense of electromagnetic fields in the environment could be mixed into the angular gyrus and provoke visions. Just an curious hypothesis though but it’s the first time it has been formulated somewhere in the world!
then poor retina cells 
send electric signals which are interpreted as light. When you receive a sudden flash of light, what you see eyes closed is retinal image persistence. Retina cells were overstimulated and they continue to send signals many seconds after the real signal stopped.
