Semi-New to Lucid dreaming, having slight difficulty

(First let me apoligize for the length of this post, I didn’t really intend it to be this long, I guess I just got carried away.)

Hi, I used to come to these boards a couple years back when I first started reading about lucid dreaming, but due to poor recall eventually lost interest/motivation and never actually got there.

Recently though I’ve been getting more interested in my spiritual side, practicing meditation and reading more about philosophical and religious type things and the idea of not just Lucid dreaming, but dream work to analize the dreams to learn more about myself and work on myself came to me again.

To do both though I need dream recall, and my memory has never been my strong point. (I am a marijuana smoker, though currently am on a break for about 2 weeks now) The first night I decided to try this, with the journal and all(i have a notebook i keep by my bed, and also I downloaded the Advanced Diary that someone mentioned on one of the topics on this board)I was able to reconstruct and remember 2 dreams in great detail in great length.

I was also able to analize them apparently quite well(my therapist who works in dream works told me it was a better job then most of the doctors he worked with)which gave me a bit of hope that perhaps this time I would be able to do it, at least until the next night, when I woke up only able to remember little snippets of the dream, and even once those fragments came I was unable to construct more then just that scene of the dream that came to me.

I was dissapointed, but then the next night i was again able to remember 2 dreams, quite vividly and again able to analize them with the symbolism they presented to my every day life. (I even unbeknownst to me used a MILD method of telling myself I would like to return to the world where my first dream took place, and ended up doing just that, even though the two dreams were pretty unrelated)

The next night was again a bad night for recall, able to slightly remember some of one dream, and small fragments of another 2, the night after that was looking to be another bad day, until I got on my computer to write about the fragment i was able to remmeber(which was a little longer then previous nights fragments I admit), when suddenly a piece of another dream came to me and I was able to construct it from there.

Last night was again looking to be a bad recall, waking up 2-3 times, this time taking the effort to write down the fragments in the journal(after alot of effort to even remember the fragment, and again only able to construct a small very vauge description of the one scene and forgetting the rest)in the hopes I would be able to remember/reconstruct them upon waking.

The last dream of last night I was able to remember totally because I think at the end I might have realized it was a dream, it is a little odd to explain but I was able to open my eyes in reality from within the dream and seamlessly came from dream to waking state. (basically the opposite of a WILD, which I may want to try in the next few days)

My main concern/problem is that the dream diary isn’t helping me too much, at least the notebook one. The dreams that I was able to remember and reconstruct in great detail on the computer I was able to do before writing it down, and when I wrote those dreams down in the notebook it was only a summery, which I didn’t even have to read upon waking up later in the day to record them on the computer.

The ones I didn’t remember, I didn’t remember from the second I woke up, and I had to use alot of focus and thought to try and get them to come to me, even though they were only snippets, and writing them in the notebook didn’t help remembering them any better later on or while I was in the process of writing them.

Perhaps writing them down has helped me to remember them later on, or helped me think about them more(the dreams i remembered I went over a few times in my head before writing down the summery paragraphs)and the computer diary definatly is fufilling its purpose getting me into the habit of thinking of my dreams and working on them when waking up, and I had thoughts of just going strait to that each time I woke up, but am afraid that I wouldn’t be able to fall back asleep if I sit up at the computer for 15-20 minutes tyring to remember and reconstruct the dreams(Which i may or may not even be able to do).

I also have the idea that maybe the dreams that I remembered so easily was because they were the dreams that had the symbolism, that I could analize and relate to my deeper part of me to learn more about myself, and that the ones that I didn’t remember(or at least the fragments of it), seemed more like a summer popcorn movie, fun and entertaining yes, but with no real point.(I couldn’t really think of any symbolism in the fragments I had, no real deep meaning beyond just movies or video gameish type dreams)

So there inlies my problem, how do I induce dreams that are meaninful, if that is the reason why I remember them, before I have too many days of little or no recall(which I am hoping will not happen again if/when i decide to start smoking again)and start to lose motivation.

I read around the boards again, and will try the MILD technique of “i will remember my dream” for the next week or so and see if that helps, maybe trying WILD one night when going back to sleep, and maybe will try and just go strait to the computer to see if that has any difference then the notebook, this will also allow me to play some of the hypnotic/nature sounds I have that could maybe help me fall asleep faster.

A few questions is how long should I be laying in bed waiting for the dreams to come to me before getting out/rolling over to try and write about them/getting out to use bathroom(which i usually have to do each time i wake up).

Do you think my motivation to work on the dreams/learn more about myself is overshadowing the overall dream recall effects of the so called “popcorn” dreams? Is that even possible?

I know that everyone has dry spots from reading the boards but this is more like a rollercoaster where i start off with vivid long memories then drop down to nothing, back right up to vivid long memories and drop back down to almost nothing each opposing day, has anyone ever had this experience?

Does meditating before sleeping have any effect on dream recall? I know that my therapist has told me that it provokes a more deep sleep, and I noticed that one of the days where I couldn’t remember hardly anything was after a night where I chose to meditate right before falling asleep.

Thanks for anyone who managed to read that whole thing, and sorry again for the length, any other advice or tips you could give me would be greatly appreciated :smile:

Tip for dream recall: Milk! loads of Milk… wil definetly help for your dream recall! Take 2 or more glasses before you go to bed.

I’m lactose intolerant :bored:

milk?, how can that help?, scientific explanation?

I think you need to remember that you should just start things slowly.ie. Don’t expect too much. Work on recalling dreams first… then work on inducing dreams for a deeper understanding to your self… these are both skills where the later ‘builds’ on the first one. After a while, motivation won’t be much of a problem, because it will soon be habit!

From the sounds of it, you are going OK for recall. Is your dream diary ‘just a note book’? or something a little more special. Try to make it special, put some pictures on it or something symbolic. Have a special pen too that you use only for writing your dreams. Sounds a little silly, but its all a ritual to put your mind in the state to remind you to recall your dreams.

Recalling dreams is a skill, and learning new skills takes lots of practice. (But luckily it is not too hard to learn!)

Record your snippits and your ‘pop-corn movies’ of dreams also, because sometimes they can trigger memories of longer dreams that seem to be just hiding in a memory bundle below the surface.

There is loads of info on these boards about dream recall, so stay and look around!!

Yea its just a notebook, though I’m hoping today I can find my old recorder so I can just talk into it instead of having to get up, roll over and write.

As for personalization I don’t really have much I can use to do that, in terms of pictures or anything, most of my personalization is on my computer, but I did put a password on my Advanced Diary if that counts :smile:.

The MILD method seemed to work with regards to remembering my dreams, this morning I was able to come on and reconstruct 3 dreams!(the highest i’ve ever been able to rememebr) And 2 fragments that may or may not have been a part of 2 of those dreams, that I added to those entries because they were too short(or i just didn’t remember enough of them) to warrent thier own entries, and they seemed to fit in those 2 dreams.

I also found this page here on the boards (angelfire.com/biz6/Picvault/Dream.html) does anyone have any experience on using this? Does it work, could it cause problems?(the person who originally posted it asked if there was something wrong with using it every night, and I can’t imagine why but figured I would ask, since i didn’t see an answer in that post which was a few years back)

Also about the meditation, does that have any effect on dream recall or the deepness of my sleep? I meditated for only about a half hour last night, and a few hours before going to sleep, but am not sure if this played any part in helping me remember the dreams or if it was the MILD technique. (I basically said over and over I will rememebr my dreams, I will remember them as soon as i wake up, i will remember them fully and completly, I will remember all of them with vividness, ect)

It seems to me that you’re OK with your dream recall and that you’ve not a lot of problems. Just go on in the same way.

What I use to do is remembering the whole dream quickly, then I write it down immediatly on my DJ. My DJ is near my bed. If I don’t write it immediatly, I’ll lose bits of dreams.

(A little comment: what you call MILD seems to be autosuggestion. MILD is a lucidity induction technique, based upon autosuggestion. In MILD, you repeat a sentence like “In the next dream, I’ll remember to realize I’m dreaming”.)

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i find lucid dreaming the easiest after a good nights sleep the night before. It also helps me if i plan out what i want to happen in my dreams before i actually drift off to sleep

Hi UnnamedGuy (and greetings to everybody else here :wink: )…

a couple of days ago I decided I might as well restart working on having LDs…since I have a lot more spare time on my hands right now and thought that I could invest my time in LD training…
As for the dream recall: my most successful method consisted of repeating “I remember my dreams” whilst falling asleep. The first couple of days nothing really happened (a few fragments of dream memory), then after one week I could recall one dream per night (relatively vivid), after another week my rate of recall skyrocketed (i.e. at least 2 dreams per night including waking up automatically after some dreams but at some point it got a bit stressful - waking up three or four times per night :eh: )
But after the initial fortnight I had my first LD (unstable and short but at least it was a LD…finally!!!)…proving the theory of parallels between dream recall and LDs…

Hope this helps (I just restarted yesterday with keeping a dream journal) best of luck.

morpheus