this method, regardless of its original intention (LDing), is such a good method for people struggling with insomnia for sure!
it only takes me 1, maybe 2 cycles to doze off… it’s really hard to complete this few times haha
LOL, yeah it really is a form of self-hypnosis I guess. 
Ok, I have theory why is this technique working, at least for me.
So when I do this tech I wake up for WBTB. Stay awake for 5 - 10 minutes then I’m back in bed. I start doing technique. After 3 repetitions I still don’t see anything or hear or feel on my body, at least nothing special or uncommon for laying in a bed. Sometimes and only sometimes in 4th and 5th repetition I may see something or hear something but that’s very rarely!
And I think that’s just the way that technique should work. In my opinion that’s perfect because we were “forcing” ourselves to pay attention on our 3 most useful “sensors” very intensely for 2 - 3 minutes. After that the point of technique is to fall asleep quickly as possible. I believe that’s because as we were paying attention in those 3 steps nothing significant happened but when we fall asleep fast and by concentrating on our sensors that’s last we remember - nothing and as we enter the dream all those sensor become active and stimulated so from nothing to something extraordinary can and will induce lucidity…
At least that’s how this tech works for me… 
Had 2 LDs last night, using SSILD, even though I couldn’t concentrate very much. I think I have to work on my lucidity now, as I’m not paying attention to things and can’t control them in the dream.
Thank you for the technique. ;D
After 15-20 seconds of trying, how long must you pause or something and go on with the other try’s?
(Sorry for bad english).
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Your welcome. Please take a look at the replies I gave to pnl as that might help you as well.
No need to pause and you should never count the time. The 15-20 seconds is just a hint. Just do this technique in a relaxed and lazy manner. In fact, you want to lose count!
(Sorry for bad english).
I have some questions. Is it normal for your thoughts to drift off while doing the cycles? Every single time I try this my thoughts almost immediately drift off and I have to pull my focus back in order to keep going. Then I feel like it keeps me awake. Should I keep pulling my focus back long enough to do like 5 cycles? Should I let my mind drift off even if I didn’t finish the first cycle? Am I too sleepy when I attempt this? I need help please!
It is quite normal for thoughts to drift off in the first cycle. For some people it is better to let it drift and event directly drifting to sleep. For some it might work better to keep pulling it back although it indeed might cause loss of sleep. I suggest you experiment with either ways to find the most optimal approach.
Are you too sleepy when you attempted this? Hard to tell because some people seem to drift immediately even after staying awake for a long time! In general though it is better to have sufficient sleep prior to doing the exercise. Whe you get out of the bed you shouldn’t fee too drawsy. That way you can comfortablly stay awake for at least 5 to 10 minutes then go back to bed to do the exercise.
Hi cosmic.iron, I really want to give it a try, since regular methods are just too complex for me to pratice. I think it’s a efficent way and simple to get that point. From your posted i learned that you are a very diligent man to collect information on LD. I also like to ask you what website of you said about that China forum, since iam chinese i can get some knowledge from there. thang you for your working.
The web site is Baidu Tieba. Once you are there search for "宇宙之铁＂(yuzhouzhitie).
The Baidu platform is a horribly simple BBS with poor structures and very lame search facility. As such it was very difficult to collect data. In fact when we tried to collect results for the past 6-7 months we realize that a couple of months worth of data are missing from the search result. Despite that, we managed to collect more than two hundred first-time success stories. The total number of success stories are well in the thousands. I hope to see you on our forum.
I usually attempt this when I’ve waken up in the middle of the night - during a WBTB. Okay, so I guess I’ll try staying awake a little longer before I attempt this next time. I did that one time and I ended up being in and out of sleep (or so I thought) for the last 2 hours before I had to wake up. I’ll just try experimenting though. Thank you!
Last night I gave it a try. Maybe because i am too excited about this method that i have insomnia last night and hard to fall sleep. Although at 7am I try the three 3steps and it turned out that after done the steps I can’t sleep either. I had some ear ring sound some time and from BaiduTieba I know it’s good chance to be out of body. Thank for you telling me the Chinese forum. It has numerous resoures of OBB and Ld method and experiences. I am going to take more pratices on SSILD before I futher read infromation on the forum.
Hmm ok, so you dont need to pause? But how do you start the next 15-20 seconds then? Just immediatley after them? (So in fact you are doing those steps for like a minut or 2)? And how do you know you must fell asleep? Because at one point you say you have to pull your mind back and at the other step you say you have to fell in sleep as fast as possible?
(Again sorry for my worse english).
Another question.
Do you have to do those steps at the same time of after each other?
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Something funny happened last night 
Earlier during the day I tried to take a nap after doing some 5-6 SSILD cycles but could not fall asleep. Then in the evening when I was getting ready to go to sleep I decided to try SSILD again with WBTB and put my iPhone’s alarm clock to wake me up at 4am.
I woke up as the alarm went off and grabbed my iPhone in order to silence the alarm. However, the phone stopped ringing before I even touched it and the screen went black. I tried to restart the phone with no success. I stood up and my girl friend woke up as well. At that moment I realized that something was not right and did a nose RC and could breath! I became fully lucid but it lasted only for 1-2 minutes as I got too excited and woke up. So it was a very realistic FA!
My question: is it possible that the cycles I did during day had something to do with the last night’s false awakening?
I found it pretty funny that the pure intention of using SSILD helped me to become lucid, even before I had the opportunity to do the cycles
That indeed is a funny experience. I wouldn’t say the experience is resulted from earlier attempt of SSILD… it can’t be that powerful can it? LOL. However, it is faily common to experience this kind of hyper realistic false awakenings after doing SSILD. You are right about intentions – they are indeed very powerful. In fact, SSILD itself is a way to set up intentions. Words/mantras are not particularly effective at communicating intentions with our subconscious, but the SSILD exercise seems pretty good at that.
Can you answer my questions? 
Sorry if I am a little impatient, but im very curious and want to try this technique!
Just do one after another, without a pause. Make sure you don’t do it too fast. You want to allow your mind to wander to the point you occassionally forget to do the exercise.
You can allow the steps to overlap.
Well out of strange circumstances I ended up trying this. I woke up after a pretty poor night’s sleep at 7 AM, got ready had breakfast, went to the gym to find out it’s closed 
, so I come all the way home pretty tired and just went into bed.
I remember reading this thread the other day so I decided to try focusing my hearing and touch, i forgot about vision. I did this about twice and then stopped.
I then must have fell asleep cause I was then in a bath naked playing a online game with a friend. After a while I just became lucid out of the blue, though it only lasted for me to get out of the bath and walk downstairs until I woke up.
Now I’m not sure if your technique was responsible since I only did it half heartedly and partly correct, though it seems to have helped
Okay, I tryed last night. No result. I did the WBTB technique etc, (after 4/5 hours sleep) I get up and watched some motivation scene’s from inception (stayed awake for 30 minuts), then I did go in bed and tryed the steps 4/5 times. But with no result. And it took a while before I get to sleep. So do you have tips?
Another question is; When do you have to go to sleep? When you did it 4/5 times? Or when you get sleepy? Or do you just have to wait when you fall asleep?