Heh, so you admit your lack of skepticism is an undesirable characteristic?
By the way, you can be skeptical and open-minded at the same time.
Good god this thread has been busy. Everybody has different beliefs on different matters. This was simply mine, that I wanted to share with others. I’m not saying I’m right and your wrong, nor am I saying I’m wrong and your right. Simply putting out a belief of mine, that gets me going in shared dreaming. It’s fine if you think its crap, or even if your too close minded on the whole concept of shared dreaming. If that were the case, I wouldn’t have any clue why you even read the thread. But as that lays, this was just an output of mine, to you, to show what I think makes shared dreaming possible.
If you want to have a shared dream, or even a lucid dream for that matter, you must believe. And with that, you have to believe in something. Without belief, your going up a waterfall in a canoe.
Im skeptical about alot of things I dont believe everything I here, I get diffrent oppinions, learn as much about the subject as I can, and then make up my own mind.
thats good kavaa. thats what you need to do to determine your own beliefs.
/pwned indeed 
raises hand
That’s me.
I believe shared dreams or something like that once I had a dream and there was a friend of me and she keep saying that I was dreaming but then I didn’t know anything about ld’s when I went to school the other day she came to me and said: Are you stupid I said that you had to say that you are dreaming
That was really weird acctually that day I begin to get intrest in LD’s So nobody can say to me that shared dreams not exist
I just wanted to write that 
Hey, thanks for sharing that! 
In future i try to be more careful if i meet my friends in LD-s. It shows that not always they might not be only pure imagination of my mind 
I really wish we could get some sort of hard proof down. Without that, or without a personal experince, I shall never be convinced :/.
Still, that was a nice story mis.
For what it’s worth, I think you put in a good argument 
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I’d stress the “personal experience” part of your sentance Sureal, you’ll never get hard evidence in my opinion. Even if you do get a shared dream where you and a person you know had a dream about meeting in a shared dream, science would only say it was a co-incidence. “Out of the billions of people on the planet,” they would say, "it was bound to happen in a few cases, just by chance alone.
The only way would be meta anyalsis of a vast section of the publics dreams for years and years and that is not ever going to get funding in an early 21st century economy.
Science would never say it was bound to happen due to chance. You have to have proof of something before you can determine the probability of it happening.
Nope, it’s be so easy to prove scinetifically.
Get two people who claim they can share dreams. Keep them seperated and give one of them a password to swap with the over.
In the morning, ask them if they’ve had a shared dream. If they say yes, ask the other person what the password if.
They get it right - proved.
They get it wrong - inconclusive
Repeat a number of times (and with different people if possible), changing the password each time. make sure the password is completey random and allow the two subjects to not contact each other in any way (search them for any hidden devices as well).
Ask them questions each time about the dream. Compare the answer you get to see how close the two descirption are. ask lots of random questions (eg. colour of sky, colour of floor, where you were, what was it like, as it dark or light, what was the texture like, what did you say, what did the other person say, how did they react to your answer).
There’s now way though could come up with answers to every single question you could think up, and so they coudn’t cheat.
Simple.
Oh, and an analysis of public dream records would not only NOT be the only way to prove or disprove shared dreaming, but it would the weakest form of evidence you could get.
Step one you fail - I know of no-one even claiming they can share dreams on a regular basis for your test to go ahead.
All shared dreams I know of, and I have a stong intrest in this feild, are of people finding out by accident that a shared dream had occured.
Example me and a freind, the following account is taken from this page lucidcrossroads.co.uk/shared.htm
We both could be interviewed by respectable scientists but what would that prove, its after the fact, we could be lying!
To do your experiment Sureal you either need 2 people who claim to share dreams on a regular basis (I’ve never heard of these people) or you have to do a controlled experiment as you suggest on a vast section of the population (too expensive for this society).
I wasn’t suggesting meta anyalasis of public records but a scientist by each bed of a vast section of society… impossible today but just maybe not in the future with the raise of inteligent AI.
I’m sorry a skeptic would say this about a personal account. Personal accounts are not science so a scientist would not even aknowledge them.
Ok, but your previous post implied otherwise. Trivial point, I admit.
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. Earlier, you said:
My point is that that just isn’t the case. For example, say there’s anecdotal evidence of a person taking flight after going for a lay-up in basketball. Science would not say “out of the millions upon millions of lay-ups performed each year, a person was bound to fly at some point, by chance alone.”
No thats cause you are able to measure effect of flight of a basketball player without bringing a percentile chance into the equation. Chance is however part of good scientific rigour, in fact many parts of scientific enquiry rely on percentage chance.
Example :- I flip a beaten up coin 100 times, science can never predict if it will be heads or tails but scienctific investigation can tell me how the patten of heads an tails deviates from baseline chance. This is the classical methodology using in so called paranormal investigation.
Science is a great tool but as I said a scientist would never be able take personal accounts into scientific investigation (especially in our after the fact thought experiment). If we slavishly followed science only we would disreguard a very very important source of data (even if it is not scientifically verifiable).
I don’t get you. You seem to understand that you can’t make predictions of probability without some evidential basis, but you argue that what you said was true?
Shared dreaming is NOT an accepted phenomenon, therefore it is not considered to be true. Why would science say shared dreaming could occur by chance just because billions of people dream each night?