Lately, a lot of people have gotten to look at shared dreaming, and some think of it as unconvincable when looking from an outside perspective…well I have a “theory” [if thats what you want to call it] on how shared dreaming is possible.
First off, do not forget that we use [I think] 10 or 20% of our brain. Thats it… Think of what else it can do. And…you should also know, our brains are more powerful than any computer ever made. Compared with todays technology, humans themself are winning.
Now for my “theory”.
Think of the matrix. Think how everybody is connected in to one dream-like scape. Now…think about real life. What if everybody dreams in the same dream, but just on different areas in the dream. Think of it as the world, except a different world. One much bigger with no limitations. With that said, I would also have to say something about your DCs. What if they wern’t just “programmed robots” that appear in your dreams. Those could actually be REAL people. You just have no clue who they are, and they could just be having some weird ND…which is why they act so stupid. To add on to that, if you’ve ever had somebody walk up to you in your dream and say, hey your dreaming! What if they were just being nice And wanted everybody to share the feeling. They act as Morpheus on the Matrix. They wake up people in a way.
Basically, as an outline, our dreamworld is everybody’s dreamworld, that everybody connects to. You just have to know where to look to find different places.
As for the whole connection of the brains. Is it really that hard to think about? With our brain being as advanced as it is…its basically acting as a more powerfull wireless connection with other people.
All this may sound a little abstract, but it is what I truely believe. And to believe in it, makes everything possible. Hope I made sense…and I hope I put this in the right forum
I dont belive that shared dreaming is possible but, a possible way is that every person has thier own little world, which no matter how far out they go, it goes on and on, like a dimension for everyone else, so maybe you need to hop into someone elses.
I have previous post about how to share a dream, the theory is to make the dream like a play to where each character would have lines that they memorize in waking life, and use it in a LD, and have a detailed description of the room, where they would meet. I like your theory of the dream world, I think its possible that the dream world could very much be like the waking world. Were all on “panet dream”, but just seperated through distance. Im still looking for anyone who is willing to try my expirament. My theory is to use the scripted play as training wheels, for a while. We could slowly do away with it. If we did rehearsh the dream as a play with props, and memorized dialog it would infact be a shared dream right? two people having the same dream. Sence we are able to LD we could make a dream to share, and maybie let go of the script, and talk freely.
Not to be rude…but I dislike that method. Your thinking too hard. Think simple. The way that I’ve seen people do…is they go up to a person and say hey, are you really [NAME]? And if they say yes, shared dream, else, then not shared dream. Then you give them a code, and when everybody wakes up, ask for the code. If it’s correct, bingo, shared dream
Bendrummin, I’m sorry, but your theory is to far fetched and not only has nothing to back it up, but actually contradicts some things.
Actually, I believe that’s down to specilisation. For example, I like to think of myself as a godo writer, so I use the literacy part of my brain a fair amount.
However, I don’t use my hand to eye coordination as much, whereas a sports person would… but they wouldn’t use their literacy part as much.
If we took everyone, pretty much (if not all) of the brain is accounted for…
I personally like Kavaa’s idea. My only problem with it is that it would require a lot of effort. So, it should be used a back up plan to the simpler methods.
Something else has occured to me. Bendrummin is meant to be meeting R3TRO and freecube in a dream, but I do have to ask this… how different are your time zones?
Sureal (who is not yet convinced that shared dreaming is possible, but if given enough proof, will be more than happy to change his view)
Also, it should be noted that the power of the human brain over a computer comes from its parallel processing ability - some computers are actually many times faster at linear processing than our brains our; computers could be described as more powerful than the human brain, in a way.
As far as shared dreaming goes, I highly doubt it is possible. Shared dreaming would be unbelievably simple to prove in a laboratory setting with individuals possessing the supposed ability to enter each others dreams.
I also have to disagree with your reasoning. You argue from ingnorance - you base your argument on the conclusion that it is true. This is called begging the question. It doesn’t float logically.
What the hell happened to these forums? I’ve been gone for a while and it seems that, to put it bluntly, this place is being overwhelmed with stupidity. Maybe there should be a sticky about logic and the scientific method? Occam’s razor, the concept of parsimony, and maybe the rules of debate?
Different people have different beliefs. Like I said, I don’t believe in shared dreaming and pointed out pretty what you did… only, you know, not (quite) so harshly…
How can you be sure it’s not possible though? People use to think lucid dreaming was impossible. And even though ben’s theory wasn’t corrext, doesn’t mean it’s not possible…
What i mean is: you need to keep things open unless they are absolutely proven that those ideas are untrue. For example, there would be waste of space to create topics where to argue is the Earth really flat, or not. But it is not waste of space to create topics where people post possibilities. Of course, i do also look sceptically at those threads and always say to myself: “Nice “theories” everywhere, but why is no one posting something from their own experience that is so serious evidence that needs to be looked more carefully, and tried out again and again until we can find out the truth”.
If there would not be topics about shared dreaming, quessing is OBE really happening in “real world”, do we really encounter dead people in our dreams, is it possible to change reality by LD (or by OOBE), etc, etc, this place would be cold and barren place where we all would stick with the idea that yeah, it´s nice to have those things like ND, LD, OOBE, but those all are happening in your brain ONLY and there is no chance that someone other can actually visit your dreams (aka shared dreaming).
More reality and more personal experiences is what i sometimes expect when things tend to go too “mystical”, or too “speculative”, or too “abstract”, but i would apreciate balance, not extremes
In order to argue logically, intelligently, or scientifically, it must be assumed that until there is evidence for something, it does not exist. It’s all fine and dandy to share your personal beliefs, but it’s not all right to try to argue these beliefs if you have no evidence for them.
For example, I believe in a god - a universal…something, of some sort. I believe in this god because of personal experiences with LD’s, OBE’s, etc. However, I would NEVER try to argue this god’s existence. I have no ground to stand on for such an argument.
Oh, well I guess you haven’t been a round for a while, so I’ll forgive you then .
You see, two memeber - Freecube and R3TRO have claimed to have experinced shared dreams. Other members in the past have made such claims, but not with the same sort of ‘believabilty’ of these two.
As such, we’ve started putting a lot of effort into researching shared dreaming and to see if it really is possible. And if so, what we could do with it.
Ben wasn’t trying to argue his point - merely create a place to put down theories of how it could be possible.
I never said ideas and beliefs should not be shared and discussed. See my previous post on this point.
All I am saying is that there seems to be a lacking of fundamentals here. Certainly there are many young posters here and their lack of education is a valid excuse. There’s nothing wrong with making a mistake as long as you know you made one.
My remark about this forum’s recent stupidity was directed more at its willingness to allow falsities to go unchecked.
Honestly, I’m not trying to be a jerk here. I just remember posting at a time when the argumentative no-no’s, faulty scientific thinking, and blatant falsities were not tolerated as they are now.
I do believe he was:
If ben did not mean this as an argument, then he needs to say so. These computers are not great emotional conductors - if he did not mean to argue then he should have phrased his post a bit better.
Notice the smile at the end of my sentence. I meant by killing “discoraging to post bold and new ideas, even if they might not be so serious in first sight”.
Well, it seemed to me that you would liked to see such threads than this somewhere where they don´t bother of seeing more “scientifical” threads. I agree that not much point in Utopias, but IF some ideas in this thread happen to be true, IF someone jumps in and says: “I had such experience”?
I would not call it stupidity in certain threads, but i agree with your idea - we should be more critical about our ideas, and try to have more serious back-up. For me even personal experience goes well. If enough people start to experience something that seems to back-up some idea, then why not to take it more seriously, even if we cannot prove it scientifically at first.
I dont know, Im not too skeptical on shared dreaming, I would have to see for myself. Ive had plenty of OBE, and I never thought they were possibale. Look at all the things that are being disscovred everyday. I mean just exsisting period is enough to make you wonder. Its a very strang world, and we are all living in it, with strange things like ND, LD, OOBE, cropcircles,UFO, computers, time, space, internet, information, brains, religion, science, ghost,2005 and beyond, technology, clones, and… The list goes on forever, so that personally is why Im not skeptical. Keep an open mind. Its a strange life.
And wanted everybody to share the feeling. They act as Morpheus on the Matrix. They wake up people in a way.
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