Sleep paralysis or self suggestion?

I have some questions regarding entering dreams and staying conscious.

Lately with practice I attempted to get my body to sleep while keeping my mind active. It is a difficult process and it requires a lot of patience and calmness and concentration. I do the following:

After getting to bed I lie on my back and try to slowly relax my whole body, I close my eyes and do not move a muscle but willfully relax my entire body while keeping my mind active by certain means like counting or planning on what I want to experience in my dream. I slow my breathing, I breathe by moving my belly up and down and this goes on for awhile. During this I concentrate on going down to sleep I briefly experience falling sensation and spinning sensation. As time passes my breathing becomes a difficult issue it seems that I m starting to stop breathing but I need to breathe willfully. Once it felt that my breathing is going out of my control and stopping. I must note that this process gets interrupted at any small movement I ever make but I try to be patient and focused and positively thinking that I will be able to enter my dream.

At the peak of this semi conscious state I get down to a level which (I m not sure) could be sleep paralysis. As my breathing gets heavier and heavier I feel like I will soon drown I forcefully stop conscious breathing and let loose. Then in a few seconds I start to feel very uneasy, my whole body feels flat like a steamroller rolled on it, my ears start to ring loud, my vision flashes bright lights uncontrollably and I feel like I m drowing like I m dieing. At this point I could not handle it anymore I took a breath and snapped out of it and I come back to reality gasping for air with my limbs numb.

I could achieve this state twice during the night and once barely the next day but only once was I able to reach the peak where I could not go on. As for time reaching this took 45 minutes each, and it is a mentally tiresome process. The morning after the night I tried this twice I awoke tired.

So what is this I am experiencing and what can I make out of it?

Hey Angelguy!
Yeah that’s called WILD.

That is normal during WILD, and it means you are very close to having a lucid dream. When something like that happens, remind yourself that this is all being made up in your mind and that nothing can hurt you. If you stay like this the whole time, out of nowhere you’ll find yourself in a dream, totally lucid :cool: Many people feel that they cannot breath during HI and HH, which is what you experienced with the steamrolling thingy. To findout more about WILD, go to the main page, www.ld4all.com and go to How > WILD.

Thanks for the info and links I am well aware what WILD is, in theory at least.

My problem is that I just do not understand how is this possible. How can you experiuenced WILD users take on that… that torture? :cry: I cannot enter my dream the way it is written on the front page it is very simple and straightforward. Am I doing this right at all?

Yet to me it seems impossible to hold that state for long than a few minutes or maybe seconds, when I feel like I’m choked to death, my ears ringing like mad, my whole body burns and shaking and my vision is experiencing chaotic flashing and sparkles which cannot be deciphered let alone followed.

What can I do? I have been practicing this for awhile I try to keep focusing that I m ok everything will be fine but my body just freaks out and comes back awake choking for breath relief from that hell.

Practice is all i can say. With Practice, it will take less time and you will get used to all the noise and everything. Just try to calm yourself down, saying ‘this is only HI, this is all made up in my mind’ Also WILDers, feel diffrent things and WILD in diffrent ways. Some people get sound HI , the ringing feeling, some people get picture HI , where you watch these pictures in front of you and some people get an HI where you feel like you are floating or shaking or moving, etc. The Flashes and the sparkles are Phospherenes, which can be seen when you squeeze your eye-balls shut. Do not pay any attention to Phosperenes because they do not really induce WILD. Good luck Angelguy, remember WILD takes time. I’ve been WILDING for more than 5 months and i’ve only had 2 WIlds’.

I’d say not. The whole point is to fall asleep, meaning letting go of all bodily feelings. So if you choke - relax, let the body work for you, dont breath willfully. Your body will not let you choke, its plain impossible. We have safe measures built in for these kinda cases.

Also, people say you’re not supposed to “hold that state”, you’re supposed to look at all your experiences from a side, and just let them pass, dont concentrate on them, dont force them to continue. Dont force them to stop either, they’ll pass on their own. Just watch as spectator.

When I have these kinds of experiences while WILD’ing (usually I just get SP and occasional HI if I open my eyes), I keep telling myself it’s all in my head, and try to relax.

Explosions next to the ear and shaking don’t really affect me as much, but it’s hard for me to relax when I feel like I can’t breathe…