moved from Quest to stuff 
for me its harder to try to have an LD because if i dont take melatonin, i cant get to sleep until around 3 or 4 AM, and i go to bed al around 11 Pm, i’ve tried all the sleeping techniques and stuff but i still have this problem, and i still want to try to ld, but i dnt want to keep having to take melatonin what should i do!? 
I did a quick search and found the Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome topic [Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome)
now other ways to adjust your sleeping rhythm…
more exercise during the day
have a routine for going to bed
never take a nap during the day to catch up on sleep
allow yourself to get used to not taking the melatonin ( may be you got a little too dependent on it?)
have a look at the big insomnia topic, it will give you more advice. [Insomnia - Can't sleep!)
moogle said most of it but you could also try drinking warm milk it’s supposed to work.
thanks for the help, i’ll try all that