I am dreaming, but I do not feel in control of my thoughts or actions, everything happens like in a movie, I do not feel or control neither my body or the dreamworld.
This is a ND.
I am having a dream, I am not knowing, or I am questioning if it’s a dream or not.
Everything looks and feels like it’s real. I feel in control of what I think but not of the world that surrounds me, I am not aware of the possibilities I have to change it and I may worry about little things like IRL : walking around in pyjamas, jumping from a window, etc…
I am having a dream, everything looks and feel like it’s real, only I am know understanding that I am dreaming and can do whatever I want, and I actually do it.
The first one is not a ND, nor a LD, is it what you call a “false LD” ?
The second one fits the definition of “LD” in this forum, and in general studies.
We could also imagine another word to say that we realised we are dreaming, everything feels real, yet we do not take the dream in control, I’m sure it has happened before.
Please share your point of view I want to know to better complete my DJ, because in general I put them both in “LD”, but I’d like a new definition to separate them.
If the discussion is already happening somewhere else, I apologize, you can delete this one ^^
Many have listed various levels of lucidity. An example. Is sure it is not easy to classify the human mind, so beware any rigid statement of sort.
If you want to define lucidity in a quick way, the method I usually use is: could it have been likely for me to say “I’m dreaming” during that occasion? Would it have been resonable? Would it feel natural?
Interesting, ld4all defines FLD’s being LD’s where youre not aware that youre dreaming, but usually have overnatural powers.
I know there are people calling LD’s where they cant control it, but know they dream for FLD, but it is an LD its not about the control, its about the knowing that you dream that defines LD.
But there is no exact limit between FLD and ND, FLD can be more like ND, but you have minor powers
I agree about FLD’s being unaware LD’s, but one thing we never seem to touch on here is semi-lucid. For instance, last week I had a dream in which I was well awarethat everything was fake, however I never fully realised it was a dream. I’m just very hard pressed to say that it was an FLD. I’ve had those as well, but they feel different. In one, I have no power but I know it’s fake, in the other, I have some to total power but I think it’s real.
so if I’m still not sure, while I am dreaming, that this is really a dream and it’s safe to jump from a roof, since everything seems so real, this is just…a very vivid ND ?
When I say “in control” I mean to say the difference for example in my two last LDs, there was an important difference, even though I was aware I was dreaming, and become lucid and did several RCs:
In the first one, I knew I could do whatever I wanted. When a friend from school appeared as a DC, and began to bug me, I just said “you are in my dream, you will disappear now” and he did.
In the last one, DCs kept bugging me, preventing me from going outside a house and following the quest I wanted to do. I was not totally in control, because I did not just tell them " go away, this is my dream, I can do whatever I wanted"
I’m ok with no general definition of LD then, I will define the differences with other words. But vividness is still not the word I’m looking for, to define this big difference.
In one you’re the big boss, in the other, you just are free enough to remember what you want to do in a LD, but not enough to be free from what happens in the dreamworld
I would call that prelucid or SLD (semi-LD) because the awareness is there, but youre not sure whether you dream or not. This has happened to me many times and some turn into LD’s, other into ND’s. This is a good place to keep the RC’s handy
I want to know to better complete my DJ, because in general I put them both in “LD”, but I’d like a new definition to separate them.
its not about the control, its about the knowing that you dream that defines LD.
and some turn into LD’s, other into ND’s. This is a good place to keep the RC’s handy 