Some questions on controling lucid dreams

I want to greet everyone that is / working for this forum.

I am 37 yo. and according to the description of lucid dreaming, there is high chance that I am one … either involuntarily or voluntarily. To be honest I remember myself ‘entering’ a dream conditioning where I saw things in a consciuos way, controlled my reactions, saw creatures - either friendly or unfriendly, had that feeling of pressure on my chest or frew either in the air or even under the sea. And all these while being conscious - checked that often by asking myself to see my hands or look around …

I am not sure, if I am actually a lucid dreamer or not. The descriptions i have found seem to justify that i am. This is my first question…

Another thing is related to what I see… In the past i sometimes ‘saw’ rather ‘evil’ creatures that would be derscribed as incubus - the demons that wish for sex. I was afraid of them and often had to wake up to get rid of them. Durinf the last months though I started doing something different. I just asked their name - and although i do not remeber their response, I somehow stopped fearing of them. They still come back sometimes but they do not demand something from me. The point is that they sometimes come without wanting to … or better say, I enter a state of lucid dreaming easily and sometimes whithout being in the right mood, so to say. Can I control myself in order not to enter in such a situation?

PS. Just to add that i have started dealing with occult - at leats in a theoretical way…

I thank everybody in advance

Christos

You may not know if you are a lucid dreamer, but if you manage to be aware of a dream and take at least some control, you are lucid. I can’t tell from your post if you in fact did have some control in those situations, but it sounds like you had some form of lucidity or pre lucidity.

And yes, having control means having full control - you have the power to remove anything you want in a dream if you put your mind to it.

It sounds to me that you are in fact a lucid dreamer as you described it, as far as controling them I am not totally sure of this myself. Anyway if you know you are dreaming while you’re dreaming, you’re probably lucid, but I’m not sure. This morning I had my first LD in over a year so I do not have much experience, but I do have a word on the demons. Instead of simply asking them their name, ask them specifically who they are and what they want, you might get an interesting response and learn something valuable about yourself. It is possible that these demons are a certain side of yourself you don’t want revealed, or are repressing, as Carl Jung describes it your “shadow self”, so try just talking to it and reasoning with it. I have no idea if studying the occult has anything to do with it or not, but it might, again I’m not very experienced so I don’t have all the answers, but I hope this helped a little bit at least…

Hi redblack, welcome to the forum! :wave:

The theorical definition of a LD is “a dream in which you know you’re dreaming”. This definition covers about 90% of the cases. Now, IMO, the main thing in a LD is feeling oneself present inside of the dream and having a level of consciousness which can be compared to the waking life one.

The probleme when dealing with occult beliefs is, you put yourself into frightening situations. When you believe that your dream characters are real evil entities, of course you’re frightened. As your dream characters mirror your emotions, you can easily imagine what happens. That’s the reason why your dream characters changed their behavior when you changed yours.

If you want to avoid sex in LD’s, you have to master your emotions. As you noticed it, as soon as you change your behavior and emotions, what created the main interest you had in the DC disappears (I consider fear and lust to be interests). For instance, you see a monster and you’re frightened. You can change this by thinking: “what’s that? I’m not interested in getting afraid” (that is, you directly act on your emotion and change it) or, instead of running away, you face the monster and ask him who it is, what he does here, what he does represent, etc. By changing your behavior, you change your emotions too thus it gives the same result. The monster is no more frightening, he answers you or he doesn’t, you’re no more interested in it and generally he disappears cause you do anything else.

The same with the sex. When you feel a sex urge when facing a DC, you can think: “hey! I’m not here in order to have sex” and visit the landscape. As soon as you control your emotions - what I find rather easy in LD’s - the DC becomes absolutely uninteresting. This can be made even easier if you have clear objectives in your LD’s.

I hope this answer to your questions. :smile:

Hi Redblack. I strongly reccommend you stay away from the occult. There are so many ways to explore spirituality, including LDing, without dwelving into such. It sounds to me like you are lucid. Good luck keep on experimenting!

Slinger

I want to thank you all for the replies. They have been really helpful in some respects. Yet I want to say that I want to get involved into the occult, i somehow be already into these processes.
I also want to state that yes, I am sometimes afraid, but I also know that what I am afraid of is just an aspect of myself that manifests and I have to deal with it, face it , get in touch with it, master it, and finaly command it. Gods/ Demons have at least two facets(not to mention the hundrends others), and they seem to exist within us at the same time. Some are somewhat darker than others and some others brighter. But they do exist, in many forms, shapes, colors, sounds , smells… And (un)fortunately, they do come in our dreams and not only.

The scary incubus is what we are afraid to experience one shadow of our self that we want to keep away…and it/he/she comes …

We have somehow to know the spirit, and finally become a friend with this…

crb

Did you ask if you could avoid getting lucid when it comes involontarily and you’re not in the mood? That’s how I interpreted it anyway. In a way no you can’t stop it since it’s involontary but on the other hand you hsould be able to distract yourself enough to lose lucidity by involving yourself in the dream. But if it’s not what you asked just ignore what i said.
And. judging by your second post here your interest in the occult seems more than theoretical.
Am I wrong or wasn’t lucid dreaming considered an occult practise in the past?