I think there are two kinds of spiritual approaches. The first one, and by far the most popular, is the Believer approach. One adopts a faith, or set of beliefs, and holds them. The second approach is the Seeker approach, where one says “I wonder what’s really going on here…” then goes forth to discover it, questioning everything and trying to get at the truth.
I’ve met very few of the second group, but I thought that, in place of exploration like LD4ALL, I might find a few? Anyone else looking?
Definately.
How can you accept something as true without questioning it?
Adopting a faith depending on the random place you was born?
But anyway,anybody is free to do what he pleases
The A seeking semi-believer. A seeker who has a set of beliefs that the hold, but with an open heart and mind so that they may change as grew as they learn new things towards that end.
Is there room for a 4th one?
I cant possibly believe something without questioning it. Its just not… logical… o0 And i tend to rely on logic quite a bit
I would break it down to a spectrum of people who need complete proof and on the other side people who have complete unquestioning faith. The ones who need proof are always questioning and the ones who just beleive are just content and then theres many in between. Ive been really frustrated lately as all i see are stories of people expeirencing great spritual proof, but i have no personal accounts.
The first group you mentioned isn’t really on a spiritual path. They simply have heads filled with beliefs and dogma. Anyone on a spiritual path is a seeker, you seek because you realize there is something to find. You have to be open. If you already know the truth, how will you ever find it?
Gurdjieff taught that of the seekers, there are three traditional ways of going about it…
" * The way of the fakir - the fakir struggles with the physical body and self-mastery through difficult physical exercises and postures.
The way of the monk - The way of the monk (or nun) represents the way of faith, the cultivation of emotional feelings.
The way of the yogi - The yogi’s approach is through knowledge and the mind. " (from wiki)
Gurdjieff taught a 4th way, a simultaneous development of mind, emotions, and body that resulted in a much quicker path to enlightenment that the ordinary individual could follow.
For those that are seeking some good books are: The Road Less Travelled by M. Scott Peck Seeker after Truth by Idries Shah Conscious Dreaming by Robert Moss
But believing and seeking aren’t the only categories of spirituality, seeking can eventually lead to Knowing.
In Hinduism there is the tradition of Jnana
In Islam there are the Arif
Buddhism has the Arhat
In the Greek Mystery religions, and early Christianity there were the Gnostics.
I definately fall in to the second category - seeker. I spend most of my time searchin for the truth and answers, I investigate heavily into things of a paranormal or spiritual nature. I’ve found that its easier to experience something of the paranormal if you have an open mind towards it. If you dont open your mind to the possibilities you will never encounter them.
Hi. My first post here. I came here through some ploy by the cosmos, so I figured that it would be a great way to start here on this forum. I’m really interested in LD because I see it as a tool in my spiritual path. Im practising shamanism(not for long) and see that lucid dreams can help a great deal in connecting with the spiriitual. You can meet your spirit guides, your power animals, find power songs etc in your dreams. Dreaming has since long been recognised as a tool for shamans, magicians and other spirituals. I’ve had two lucid dreams so far, and I’ve been trying to have them ever since, but have not acheived it. I haven’t been persistent enough. I haven’t known how to do it. I’ve told myself to look for my hands before going to sleep, but I haven’t found them. When I had the LD’s they were brought about looking at my hands. Back then, I didn’t know what to do to approach it from a spiritual perspective so I just enjoyed the dream. I acted as spider man, went under water etc. Now, I see that by combining intent and LD, a big range of opportunities arises. I’m really looking forward to start my dream work. It will be hard, beacause I’m VERY impatient
I like your ideas of believing. Sometimes I wonder which I am. I think I am the questioning type. I want to make sense out of whats around me, I need evidence to believe.
So last weekend, it was a rainy Saturday night. My mom was at a friends Birthday party and drank a little too much. My brother and I were home I was half asleep on the couch. My mom popped in to say hello and then left. We were scared she left she didnt tell us how much she drank.
So I decide to go to my boyfriends house, and get on the freeway South. I see off the freeway a huge accident, a couple cop cars and fire trucks. The freaky part is I really felt I needed to talk to my mom at that moment. I was scared it could be her. I called my brother at home to call Mary the woman my mom was with. She didnt answer her cell, nither did my mom. I was frantically trying to call my mom! I was scared. So I decided to not dwell.
I turned off the freeway and ‘saw’ my angel. I see my angel almost once a week, sometimes up to like 19 times. Its hard to describe It but I know It. So I saw my angel twice within thirty seconds and I was free from worrying about my mother. I decided my angel knows she’s ok.
I get a call a little after midnight… It is my brother saying my mom was in that same accident I saw. It was shocking. I talked to my mom and I told her I loved her right away. I knew she was ok. The car got completely ruined. My mom is in deep shit. But overall she’s alive and I knew it. So I keep asking these questions WHY did i feel that it was my mom. What could I have done. What is watching her. What is going on spiritually with my family, me, my dad, my mom…nick my brother. Its so much bigger than ME I just try to understand things a little at a time and my opinions about the spiritual realm change a lot.
Im definately a seeker though I do believe in things yet always seek out to prove them or discover something else about them… Im really open minded when I comes to beliefs and I always respect others beliefs also…you learn more that way!
