Stop trying to dream.

No it isn’t. There are a few threads around that deal with this movie and they all point out the HUGE holes in the science in it. … 76&start=0

Heres a good page that comments on why there are sp many flaws in the film: … 79,00.html

I pretty much said it until i went unconscious. As i dont remember that transition, i said it as long as i possibly could. Sincei cant remember what made me remember to doa reality check, i believe i repeated in my dream, I am lucid one more tiem then realized i was in the dream. Last night i tried again and said it pretty close to when i fell asleep but couldnt even remember my dream thismorning :sad:

You know I’ve tried not trying but I’ve never tried this…The Power of Positive Thinking right? Ok I’ll give it a try…I am lucid! I am lucid! I am Lucid! I’ll let you know how it works out. :wink:

n00dle, I must admit your post was very nicely put.

I watched What the bleep do we know too, we even have a copy of it at home.

I tried this last night, only I used it for dream recall, because I’ve had a few nights of bad dream recall.
I said, “I AM able to recall dreams”, or rather, I thought it, without really using words, just, the idea and the intention. Its hard to explain. But it worked :smile: I recalled a very long dream in the morning, and parts of it are still comming back to me :smile:

Hi n00dle!!

I have only one and single simple question - how can I believe?
I have the same approach to life as you, but for years I try to believe. Sometimes I’m trying to do stuff so I’m saying to myself “I can move this glass without touching it, this whole world is a creation of mine”, and stuff like this. But the thing that limits me is my slightest doubt. How can I remove it?

That slightest doubt is what i call sitting on the grey-line-fence.

Its the condensation of all ‘hazy’ factors leading to either choice A or choice B.

If you are sitting on the greyline fence, you have choices.

You can sit on the fence.
You can step into yard A.
You can step into yard B.

All of those thoughts are process based. Sitting on the fence is a process, stepping into either yard is a process. The process involves whatever actions required to get from fence to A or fence to B, or to maintain balance on the fence. All three examples will fail ultimately, because processes are gradients from one location to another.

In simple terms:

If you want to walk to the shops, you have to perform the process of walking to the shops. you could get hit by a bus, fall and break your leg, etc, infinite variables stopping you from reaching your destination. This is sitting on the greyline fence.

But what if you just walk outside and purely acknowledge the fact that you are at the shops? Suddenly you look around and realise you’re not at home, you’re at the shops.

It’s like reality teleportation. Walking from A to B is a gradient that can be full of failures and problems.
But if you just warp instantaneously from A to B, there is no process, and you realise that you are just at B.

A practical example of this is long distance driving. Next time you go for a mega long drive, you’ll start to get fatigued, and suddenly you’ll go “WHOA, i’m at my destination already”

what you experience there is, the removal of the greyline fence theory. You get in the car expecting a greyline system to occur, but sometimes you just blink and you’re at your destination. That’s the practical acheivement of this state. Now just implement that theory into your subconcious. dont drive from conciousness to subconciousness. Just blink and go ‘wow, i’m there already.’

oh yes, and in reference to ‘what the bleep’ and it’s critiques, yes, it is a wacky-ass cult movie with little scientific merit and obscure doubtable links. this is not important.

i didnt watch the movie, i read it. i listened to the words, and simply put, there is about 10% gold in 90% fools gold. Hear the words. Watch the movie with your sound up and tv off. take in what makes sense and hits home to you, and reject the rest. only about 2 minutes of that movie made ‘sense’ to me that i integrated, but that is the process of research, filtering the garbage from the truth, and life tends to have good nuggets of truth, often hidden inside large quantites of bad quality ore. start refining, and after a while you’ll end up with a list of only the truths you require for your life.

I gave a friend two statements, two simple sentances which were derived from about 2 years of experience, movies, documentaries, personal experiences. i collected the best quality and choice of data for those sentances. he came back to me 6 months later saying it is still up on his pinboard and he still reads it daily. go figure. :smile:

You’ll have to excuse me for my ignorance.

Thanks for you reply, first of all.
Secondly, I read it, and I still do not understand this ‘teleportation’ proccess and how it can be done.

Are you just removing from your brain the memory of the walking? Or … what?

Thanks in advance.

definetaly seeing this film…ill try the technique to night, i too believe in a similiar theory…

-Thanks for the advice…

the ‘teleportation’ is an analogy. everything i say is practically an analogy. watch ze movie first and it might explain things :smile: if not, ask again :smile:

“Walking from A to B is a gradient that can be full of failures and problems.
But if you just warp instantaneously from A to B, there is no process, and you realise that you are just at B.”

I understand most what you are saying, but I need some clarification on something. For one to go from A to B just like that, wouldn’t their perception of time have to change? Or wouldnt they have to be able to go from being awake right into a dream? Or as Element said, would you have to forget the memory of the process of going from A to B (awake to dream)?

Time is exactly as you said, it is a perception. This means, you perceive it. Thus, you are in control of it.

A person who was trained by a well respected psychologist to enter a particular state of mind was able to conciously control thier perception of time, making a fool out of a karate master they both knew - without any experience.

Steve, i can’t really clarify your statement because i think it’s a fair statement, but in a different ballpark.

All of what i say about this topic so far is an analogy for, “stop saying you will become someone. just be them.” or in this case, “stop saying you will lucid dream, and just -realise- you’re already dreaming.” after 7 months of saying every night untill i passed out, “i want to lucid dream”, i never did. one day i said 'Screw it. i AM lucid dreaming. and what do you know. i was. i flew out the window and that was that.

To take it a step further, I have now analysed my ‘lucid dream’. I now not call it a lucid dream, for a dream i consider within the boundaries of not being controllable. If I am -conciously- aware of something, regardless of the construct of that reality, i am fully concious.

What I call (for relation/simplicity) a lucid dream (what you refer to as), I simply call a state of my reality.

I didn’t dream that i flew. I did fly. I was fully aware and concious of it.
Refer to the ‘LD drove my friend insane’ for possibly more explination into my psychological elements towards this topic.

Let me ask you this:

When you’re flying (or do any of your lucid reality stuff that cannot be done in our so called “normal” reality) can poeple see you? Or is it a dream / OOBE ?

I mean you can just start floating around your room, or you lay down first, entering enter state of mind and conscious and after that you are in your dream (lucid reality as you said)?

Do you have an alternate reality where u can fly? Or do you fly and live your life in the same reality?

Can you understand what I’m asking?

Well since “reality” only happens in our mind, and is different from person to person… wouldn’t it be like dreaming is part of your reality?
Dreaming is created in your mind, you create dreams, so they are part of your reality, since the rest of your reality is created in your mind as well… that’s the way I see it.

Maybe I got it all wrong though lol who knows.

Dream on. // Olesia

yeah MAYBE the reality creates in your mind but maybe not, maybe its all real and exist.
if it is only in our mind, which i believe so too, so yes, everything might happen, as you wish.

but if so, WHY i cant fly?


I just tought about it. and I still dont get it. if I create reality, and in that reality everything can happen (i.e. dreams) so why cant I do everything right now? (when i’m “awake”)

Well, if you TRULY believe you’re flying, then in YOUR reality you really are flying, aren’t you?

Although, I would probably refer to that as insanity lol, but people who believe they can fly, CAN really fly in their minds. If you tell them “oh, you can’t fly”, what difference will it make to them? They think they can, they know they can because they do it every day. There’s no way to prove to them that they’re in fact not doing it, to them it would seem 100% real no matter what you say.

Really, the whole world is just in our minds… everything we see, think, touch, hear and smell, it’s all reflections in our minds. Touch a wall, you get signals from the nerves in your finger telling the brain you just touched something, the brain creates a “feeling of touching something” and sends it back to your finger. So what does the wall REALLY feel like? Would the wall feel the same to a dog? Or how about to a fly? Or to those tiny bugs… they could actually see and feel “un-evennesses” in the wall that we don’t even notice.
Who has ever seen the world like it truly is?

Dream on. // Olesia

so what do you think happen in the moment when those “lunatics” fly? how we see it?
i mean when someone is flying in his mind, how others see him as? sleeping? or just standing and do nothing?

“Although, I would probably refer to that as insanity lol”

I think you would be right to call that insanity


You rock, because you understand. :hugs: