I think the point is our sub/unconscious is the director, and we are but one actor in his plays.
When we are lucid that changes to a degree, but he still has to cooperate with you, it’s harder to imagine something in explicit detail and force it into the scene than it is to use trickery to make your mind think it’s already there and let it fill in the blanks and do the hard parts for you.
and even if you are all lolligagging about lucid a character can still appear from nowhere to try and persuade you to do something else.
So… I’m not really sure what you get at… the unconscious mind creates the dreams for us and sends them to us, being, the conscious mind.
A split awareness of both minds simultaneously would be very nice, I suppose it could be possible.
" but by using these words to describe the state of our minds while we sleep defeats the entire purpose"
I interpret this to saying that OUR minds are unconscious while sleeping, this is not so in the case of some dreams, granted there are periods of sleep where we are largely unconscious, and the unconscious is just doing stuff, but eventually we do become a part of that in interactive dreams and whatnot.
So I don’t see it harmful as saying the subconscious makes dreams, it does, unless we become lucid, then we can work with it to make dreams.
It’s just a theory anyway… I do believe that there is some sort of split mind effect going on inside my head though, based upon where it generates the dreams and voices and images from, and whatnot, it feels like sleep turns you off and turns it on.
a bit OT but will someone corect me here? Isn’t the freudian model the conscious, the pre/subconscious, then the unconscious?
The pre being just below the surface and possible to tune into, probably what gives you the dreams and voices and whatnot, the unconscious being something not really accessible for deep storage of things and control of bodily processes?
I wish my memory was better… I remember the iceberg diagram though