i’ve been doing it since september, it has gotten a lot better, but its still very subtle
i measure my progress by this chart i have of guitar chords, they are so tiny you can’t see them if you have eyes like mine, but they get clearer and clearer, and sometimes i look and marvel at the progress.
has an entire book about improving your vision, its JUST sun.
iblindness.org/books/bates/
and as all important literature should be, it is free.
Your path can be dangerous, but i am not the judge.
Here is a little info on Photokeratitis, welders flash, snow blindness. The eye is the fastest healing part of our body so the outward effects seem minimized. There is also a term called Presbyopia which states that after the age of twelve a slow natural degenerative state of the eye. This is why people in their late thirties to early forties experience near vision loss. Our bodies break down throughout the life cycle.
take a look at this
agingeye.net/visionbasics/uv … vision.php
Definition of Photokeratitis
Photokeratitis: A burn of the cornea (the clear front surface of the eye) by ultraviolet B rays (UVB). Also called radiation keratitis or snowblindness.
The condition typically occurs at high altitudes on highly reflective snow fields or, less often, with a solar eclipse. Artificial sources of UVB can also cause snowblindness. These sources include suntanning beds, a welder’s arc (flash burn, welder’s flash, or arc eye), carbon arcs, photographic flood lamps, lightning, electric sparks, and halogen desk lamps.
Symptoms include tearing, pain, redness, swollen eyelids, headache, a gritty feeling in the eyes, halos around lights, hazy vision, and temporary loss of vision. These symptoms may not appear until 6-12 hours after the UBV exposure.
Treatment consists mainly of keeping the eye closed with patches, after instilling a few drops of ophthalmic antibiotic solution, such as sulfacetamide sodium 10% with methylcellulose or gentamicin. Vision usually returns after 18 hours. The surface of the cornea usually regenerates in 24 to 48 hours.
Prevention involves sunglasses with adequate UVB protection and full coverage of the eyes (side shields).
Hmm… I’m gonna side with you, endless. There’s a lot of bad things ultraviolet light can do to your eyes.
Don’t get me wrong Eyelids, healing/improving your vision by simply looking at the sun would be great! But don’t you think it would be all over the news & not just on some less-than-trustworthy looking website? If you’ve gotten great results, then awesome! I just want to see some more substancial evidence before subjecting my eyes to a 1.392x10^9 m diameter ball of plasma.
I wear glasses too, & it would be wonderful if I could lose em. The air’s dirty here in Jersey, & I my glasses need cleaning all the time.
Perhaps I will try the “solarized glass of water” trick. That sounds relatively safe.
its good for everyone to make their own decisions: i hesitate to write because then i have to take a fundamental stand-point, but i will.
going to iblindness.org and looking at the forums one can talk to many people who have sun-gazed their way to 20/20 vision from having poor vision before, including those who ran the gambit with many illusions of blindness/distortion along the way from not doing the method correctly, kinda like me
i want to check out an eye-chart some time soon it should be 20/40 or something of the sort . i dunno what it used to be.
anyway ------------
lol
what’s “relatively safe” about solarized water, as if such a thing could be a boogeyman?
i don’t think it will help vision any, but the sun-charged eye drops might,
so will all the exercises listed in that online book, but most practitioners say sun is by far the most important area of their practice.
why would it be on the news? well, lets think about the news critically, something that negates the need for EYEGLASSES and is completely free ?
equals no more $ for powerful industries
if you’re interested in good eyesight I’d recommend reading the book and seeing what he has to say. glasses are really stupid because when i put mine on the other day after not using them in well over a month, taking them off made my vision so much more terrible, AND with them on it wasn’t even much of an improvement, because the vision has im-proved so much more naturally on its own.
the thing is that they teach your eyes to be lazy lol.
here’s something : stop eating solid foods, have milk, honey, tea, for a few days straight a week, to lose weight and be very health and energized and alive,
this isn’t on the news is it ? it doesn’t come in pill form that can be marketed!
the news is a conduit for forces of high density $ to push their views around, including taking pre-fabricated video documentaries made by industries and governmental agencies and having the reporters read the propaganda as if it is fact, whicn it is actually just paid advertising
aware of this many years ago the senate tried to make it a law that any propaganda had to be advertised with a disclaimer but as you can imagine it was shot down.
i cannot exactly say our journalism is free or intelligent when half the time it is focused on what celebrity is marrying what person, or animal, or whatever it is they marry.
here’s a helpful hint, to destroy a candidates career, take a video of them picking their nose, why did Dean lose? because they decided to show him yelling on tv, even though all candidates yell from time to time.
silly ! 
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Glasses can’t make your eyes lazy. Loss of visual acuity has nothing to due with muscles. The principal reasons for eyewear are myopia & hyperopia. With myopia, the eyeball is too long, or the cornea is too steep, so images are focused in the vitreous inside the eye rather than on the retina at the back of the eye. The opposite defect of myopia is hyperopia or “farsightedness” or “long-sightedness” — this is where the cornea is too flat or the eye is too short. The italicized text was copied straight from Wikipedia.
Secondly, I looked up sungazing on the aforementioned website, and it states that sungazers do their thing at dawn and dusk, when the sun’s intensity is lowest. You never specified that. I thought you were talking about staring wide-eyed, directly into the midday sun. People have lost their vision permanently doing that.
I’ll acquire more intel. But for now, I have a pair of sunglasses that fit over my Rx’s. 
[color=red]EDIT: Oops! I just looked over the first post again. You did specify sunrise & sunset. Sorry, my bad. I must have overlooked that part. Hope I wasn’t too mean. Again, my apologies.[/color] 
I don’t get how looking at the sun could improve poor sight. Most poor sight is caused by myopia & hyperopia, as NightOwl413 has already said, which are problems with the Shape/size of the eye, or the lens. Unless looking at the Sun will change the Shape of my eye I don’t see how looking at the sun help 
. I think i’ll stick to just wearing glasses. 
This whole topic is kinda New Age here, Muzzius. That “spirituality/metaphysics overriding the laws of physical reality” sorta thing, so I don’t really think there’s going to be much of a mechanistic desciption as to how this works [supposedly]. It’s more of a paranormal thing, that the sun radiates healing energies, rather than science.
Eyelids, I’m not insulting sungazing or proclaiming disbelief, I just wanna be cautious. Honestly, now that I know it’s to be done “when the sun is orange” 
, I’m actually considering it. So no hard feelings, happiness all around. 
Lol, this is silly
if the sun radiates healing energies, it IS science, not paranormal or new age, you know?
since humans do it and state that it does, then we should research their claims, right?
IMA go to the eye-doctor some-time next week and see what my vision is currently at, and then you guys can know what the results of looking at the sun for many months even also at high noon, etc, etc, will do to a man, however if you want to know that you can go to groups.yahoo.com and see, there are many who do it.
or iblindness.org
and read Dr. bate’s information on how he brought people to 20/20 or 20/10 sometimes through responsible sun-gazing in conjunction with other eye-exercises
its a free book, read it right there, part of being skeptic is thoroughly researching the heck out of what it is you are skeptical about, to see.
~yes when it is “orange” is much safer, though I do it whenever I want and suffer temporary repercussions, its because I did it for months the other way
for a beginner to, would be silly,
beginning first time might as well do it 5 minutes before sunset, or after sunrise,
the thing to state again is that in the world of Dr. Bates, eye-doctor,k treating dozens and hundreds, perhaps thousands of people, and deeply studying this, any [color=red]SUN DAMAGE[/color] is temporary and th e result of a being having imperfect eyes, the imperfection thusly exacerbated from sun exposure. He stresses that a being with perfect vision gets a huge boost in clarity from looking at the sun, any time of day, even for hours, and has no detrimental effects.
my eyes are wacko, so i get long long after-images, that take several days if not more to go away, but I don’t mind in particular because when they dissipate to even a slight degree, I can read the computer without glasses, without straining my eyes, a huge feat in and of itself in contrast to one year ago.
sometimes I say “wow, I can see!”
other times I say “damn, after-image!”
First off, I called it new age/paranormal because whatever is healing the eyes, we have no scientific instruments with which to detect & measure it. That technically categorizes it as paranormal, because it is still naturalistically unknown. There may be results, but we want to observe the actual agent of change.
Secondly,
the sun’s ultra-violet light damages the cornea, lens and retina. It is a natural fact of biology that once you pass a certain level of injury, it cannot be recovered from.
UV rays may lead to macular degeneration, a leading cause of vision loss for older Americans.
Corneal sunburn, called photokeratitis, is the result of high short-term exposure to UV-B rays.
Skin cancer around the eyelids is also linked to prolonged UV exposure.
Another UV-related problem is a growth called pterygium. This growth begins on the white of the eye and may involve the cornea. Eventually, the growth may block vision. People have lost their sight permanently.
I’m not doubting you Eyelids, & I’m not saying that sungazing is a load of [word for fecal matter]. I can’t stress this enough. As I have said before, if you have obtained solid, real results doing this, well then that makes honest investigation worthy. And if entire groups & communities are doing this with success, then obviously something’s really going on.
Just please don’t tell me things that any science textbook will say to the contrary. It is possible for ultra-high light to irrepairably destroy one’s vision, welder’s arc is a prime example, and I’m pretty sure the sun is brighter than that.
Perhaps sungazing utilizes a special technique that avoids the damaging effects. Maybe they build up some ocular immunity in the beginning that allows them to gaze during the day too. However, don’t tell me that you can just walk out one day & star into the blazing summer sun without inflicting serious injury, not on your first try at least. I just can’t buy it.
will you find instances of people who have permanently gone blind,
and before stating so, read this chapter ?
iblindness.org/books/bates/ch17.html
it is very easy, if everyone in the world says somthing is true, to have a very strong authority of rightness, to speak this back
i would have said so, having not read this :
he cites evidence that the UV spectrum does NOT, harm, the inner eye, or any part of it… now, have you truly read this chapter, every word for word?
only one instance according to my research of blindness is known, and this is of a man who used blue paper to stare at the sun, which means that his eyes did not react at all to the copious amounts of light coming in, defending themselves, forcing him to close them
for indeed if it is so bright that it hurts, the eyes will close themselves, effectively meaning you are letting in 1/5th a second of sunlight, at best.
Dr. Bates fully discloses all instances of sun-damage and why they are, and how they are illusions that fade with time and/or specific eye exercises, and why eyes do and do not get “damaged” from the light.
*Gallileo, etc, are urban legends, very vicious things, just as bad as blind faith in the new age, or any age,
I agree fully, science will disclose proper truths.
the thing is that, we have disclosure and names for the various malfunctions in vision causing from too much light, but it is few people that research how these are healed, and that the damage is temporary, and Dr. bates was one such fellow who did a ton of work on this in the face of superstition of his current day.
***if one is on LSD or has dilated eyes for whatever reason, this seems to be legitimately dangerous to sun-gaze, though.
I am actually FASCINATED by this.
I’m probably gonna try on a sunrise some morning.
Does it matter that I wear glasses/contacts?? Should I not wear them??
What if you use Sun glasses? Do they block the “healing energies”?
We’ve been over this…
If you were actually interested in the science here, you would stop brushing off the Galileo example as an urban legend, which as I have already repeatedly informed you, is a well known fact in the history of science. If you want to go stare at the sun because you think it’s good for you then fine, but stop misleading people after you’ve been repeatedly corrected, please. Beliefs are one thing, but we’re not just talking about beliefs here: we’re talking about people’s health.
I think what Eyelids was saying was that if you’re going to do this, stop if it hurts. Galileo used the blue paper and convinced himself that it didn’t hurt, but really DID hurt, which was therefore burning up his eyes.
no that’s a terrible dangerous idea! you have to use absolutely no lenses of any kind, otherwise you can be tricked into thinking the sun is not nearly as bright, as it actually is.
this is how damage can occur.
Right, but that was not Gallielo,
Galilleo went blind, it wasn’t from pleasuring himself or staring at the sun, or stepping on a crack in the pavement.
mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/vision/Galileo.html
Let’s just say you’re right (you’re not, but let’s say). Galileo stared at the sun. Galileo went blind. Now if the sun contains healing energies, why did he go blind, if it was from a cause other than the sun…you’re all about the science, so tell us.
Can I sungaze with my eye glasses on or contacts? Should I gaze with out them on? I really wanna know.
It’s not about me and you its about information that we are juggling,
did you read this?
Don’t stop, continue.
(also gallielo is not with us, talk to people who have done it and ask them)
NO you have to have them off, [size=150]no glasses, no contacts.[/size]
This is so important!
Josh Redstone, you come off in your posts like you are always on the offensive; there is no need for that. I agree: read carefully.
I have started sungazing (day 6) and enjoy it thus far. I have noticed an immediate calm, though I will reserve anything past that till I have been doing this for much longer. I will also report any adverse effects I come upon. Oh, and this is my first post (though I’ve read the entire discussion).
That said, Josh, it’s good to have a naysayer; it ensures that people like me will be sure to do our due diligence in making sure that what we’re doing is safe.
That’s exactly why I sound the way I sound. If this were about something else like yoga I would probably not sound this way, but if someone hurt their vision because of something they read off of this thread and I hadn’t spoken up, I would feel a lot worse about that than for coming off as a little rude now and then.
That’s right, it’s not about you and me, it is about information (which is right? and which is wrong?), so again, why don’t you answer my question; let’s say the web page you provided is accurate about Galileo. Galileo observed the sun much more often than most people on this planet ever will. If the sun gives off healing energies then why did they not help his vision problems? Someone’s got to have a reasonable hypothesis about this, if this is for real.
Moreover, if the sun does indeed give off such good energy, why does it have to be absorbed through the eyes? Why not through the skin? That’s how our body makes vitamin D, mostly from UVB rays passing through the skin. Why risk damage to the eyes if you can just sit outside and get a tan once and a while? There is much more surface area on the skin than on the eyes after all (I’m sure someone has mentioned this to you, right?)
Finally what about all the bad stuff that too much sun can do? Melanoma, blindness, all that nasty stuff…do the healing energies only work up to a point or does the bad stuff just eventually cancel out the good stuff? I’m interested in hearing what material has been published within the scientific community on sun gazing.