Yeah, I’m certain I read about monks never actually losing consciousness when they fall asleep, but that they slide into their dreams much like WILD’ing.
The BIG meditation as a LD Aid topic
It was the Dharmaling tibetan buddhism sangha. I asked there which tibetan buddhist schools were teaching LD’ing and a moderator, who was certainly a monk, told me that…
But some LD’ers I know through internet and who practice tibetan meditation with a rinpoche from the Kagyu tradition (the one which is supposed to be the more interested in LD’ing) told me that their teacher probably doesn’t practice LD’ing (or doesn’t practice a lot). That’s why I suppose that meditation alone doesn’t provoke LD’s, and you have to set your intention in LD’ing if you want to have LD’s.
Moreover there are lots of meditations. I quite sure some of them won’t give you lucid dreams. I’ve practiced meditation during two years without having a LD.
I’m quite sure MOST won’t , alone, induce lucid dreaming, But I’m saying that meditations (focus meditations) would help alot while trying to improve your LD skills, because Meditation increases focus.
Meditation enhances focus, which allows you to use LD techniques more easily, for many of them require focus.
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By the way, I didn’t get to try the technique out last night, for I dozed of on the couch, watching tv and never woke up after that. Oh well though, I’ll try it sunday (Chilla doesn’t realy sleep much on fridays and saturdays. Or at all, really. (Hello old hag syndrom!))
Didn’t get to try it last night either. I fell asleep meditating. Stupid soothing Mantra.
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Well, anyway, I’m going to try and post a few methods of meditation that might work for some people, starting in my next post.
ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t … &&start=15
That’s a foorm of meditation that I don’t think has previosuly been used or is documented. The CDILD method is pretty much the whole meditation, just done on the back, not at late night when you’d be used to going to sleep, and with different intentions. I’ll write of something for for my Sinking Meditation, which is pretty much steps 1 -4 of my post about CDILDing in the link above. I’ll elborate more about the state of mind and what you’ll feel and such, though. And, if I feel like it, I’ll also elaborate on the Energy Flow Meditation which is derived from something I read about in some thing…
Oooh, something something, I feel my interest peaking already! 
Well, I don’t remember exactly where it was, but it was sort of like an energy control technique which I do have the site to.
home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers … 0Flow.html
Similar to the first method of that page in a few vague ways, I’ll elaborate on the actual Method later, But I don’t have time to now.
I liked the link you provided on page 1 Chilla, but the one above seems a little… fluffy? yeah fluffy.
In fact the link about Zazen I think is very similar to that which I practice, almost identical in fact. It may be that I’m practicing Zazen without even realising it.
You can believe you are actually moving energy or whatever you like, but the whole exercise is just for concentration…Well, the one in the link above is for energy control, but what I use it for is just a concentration type meditation. Concentration/ visualization, actually. I’ll post what I do (which is based on the link above) in more detail.
what about using binaural beats to bring our consciousness down to a meditative state?
Hmm. I’m not quite sure waht you mean, Steve. Partly because I don’t know what binural beats are. Would you like to elaborate? You got me all interested.
The monks in the Tibetan Buddihst temple that I volunteered in told me that every “enlightened” person goes through the same “meditation” process np matter wher they are from. First its is single point concentration, than Vipassan meditation, than you just stop because your mind is already “enlightened” enough so you don’t need to meditate.
First you need to start at single point concentration meditations. Techniques such as Zen or Shamata.
What to do after that, I cannot tell you. All I know is that you have to be able to sit in Shamata properly for an hour or more. And that is somethig that I haven’t achived yet. The max I sat at was 40 mins, while most days 30 to 20 mins.
Also, there is Tibetan dream Yoga. I know that it involves using imagination. I need to try the technicalities of it.
Well, Steve, it seems like it would work, but, from what I’ve read on you thread about it, youd have to buy equipment or have to make something at home which I wouldn’t want to do. But I don’t know much about it, some I’m not going to try and discourage anyone from trying it out…
All you need is a mp3 or CD player
Oh. So, do you know where I could download one of these files?
You can download BrainWave Generator for free for binaural beats (there is a thread here in which Q explains a lot about BWG and some presets), and you can go to LucidQuest and sign up for free and download some soundscapes that might be useful. LucidQuest should be getting binaural beats soon.
there is a thread about BWGEN Also, I tried something out last night. I layed down, with my headphones on, and made the proper preparations for meditation, then, instead of doing anything, I tried to observe all the strange colors on my eyelids (phosphenes?). After a while they begin to swirl and sway and become very interesting and entertaining to observe. I found that it sucked my thought away pretty much immediately. Granted, I only did this for five minutes after a mantra meditation during which I suddenly sprung up, looked at the time, and decided A. I hadn’t, meditated long enough to meet my likings, and B. that I was bored of Mantra Meditations.
Mantra Meditation.
Breathing Meditation.
Visualization Meditation.
Energy Flow Meditation.
Sinking Meditation.
DayDream Meditation.
Eyelid Meditation (for lack of a better name).
Third Eye Meditation.
And there you have it; All the meditations I’ve tried and liked, or made up myself.