if u have a OBE could u move around in the house? And do the thing in the room look exactly the some as in RL? Whar about the clock ? ore can u read thinks? ore is it just like a dream? My “dream master” can create a OBE every LD he have so i just want to know if ther is a difrent between a OBE ore a “LD OBE” ?
I’ve been trying to do this for the longest time. o_O I can never get it though… it’s really hard for me to fall asleep on my back. 
I’ll lay there, not moving, until I’m 100% sure that my body’s asleep. Then I clear my mind… but I can’t hold it for very long. My sleepy mind drifts and thinks of things when I don’t want it to (argh). A couple of times I actually did keep my mind cleared for quite a while, but nothing happened. :-/ I only got a weird feeling once… and it felt like the bed was rocking (like my head was going downwards and my feet were going upwards), I never got buzzing/vibrations. 
Risika, I’ve been through the same thing. Tried to OBE a couple of times, but never really got the vibrations, only the feeling that the bed rocks and my head kind of drifts up, but nothing more. The trick is to keep consciousnessly awere of whats happening and DON’T FALL ASLEEP. ^^ Keep your mind on yor non-physical body and try to imaging a rope above your body that you grab on to and drag your astral body out of you physical one.
There are many other techniques that works, it’s induviduall wich one that works best for You.
Ooh, I was going about it all wrong then. 
I was under the impression that one had to fall asleep with the intention of OBE-ing, and then it would happen if they did it right. o.O;
Oops ^^ Thanks for telling me that.
Hi,
New here, very excited to find I am not alone!
I get the vibrations on demand while lucid (however I suspect it is something that is done to me) also the most terrible pain in the right hip that is sometimes too much too take, from there it is relatively easy to obe.
Alternatively sometimes I will be lucid & just flying around enjoying myself when I am “grabbed” & “we” rocket strait out of the dream & we are shooting through total darkness. I have only once been brave enough to go all the way in the grip of this “something”, we arrived at what I can only describe as a white lattice floating in blackness, it seemed huge but no explanation can really describe it. Has anyone else been there?
Goodwill to all, Mike
i’ve only had 2 obes but both were accidentle and not planned, but i tried having one earlier today, all i got was a loud ringing in the ears, vibration and for a brief moment felt like i was on the ocean or something for awhile (sort of that feeling where your on a board or something in water and then a wave starts at one end then goes to the other side ) but because i was thirsty i gave up and went to have drink (next time i’ll make sure theres no distractions)
I almost never do napping during daytime nowadays. I think i should do it more often now. Today i got my car from car-repair, and decided to take a short nap (hoping for possible OBE, or LD) before my wife arrives home and we will drive to her parents place afternoon.
So i started to have some images soon, but my body was not yet starting to have a paralysis. But then suddenly my wife opened the door and i was about to jump up from my bed, but couldn´t. I felt my astral body walking inside me (i don´t know the exact word in English). If you imagine your body softly staggering against one wall and then against other in narrow corridor - it was almost the same feeling as my astral body staggered within my physical body for 0.5-1 sec until i was able to move my physical body and to rise up.
I think i was at my way to SP 
Well, just wanted to share it. This thread needs updating anyway 
That’s not your astral but your dream body. Contrary to popular spiritual fast-food beliefs, OBE’s are also internal, mental events, just like LDing.
But how can i make discernment between dream body and astral body? When still in my physical body, although my physical body is getting paralyzed, then it’s a dream body? And when it manages to get out of my physical body it turns into astral body? 
Dont worry you won’t go out of your body as in “asytal body or dream body leaves physical body”. That only happens at NDE. So in all cases, dreams or LD’s or OBE’s, it is your dreambody that takes over. This mostly happens so extremely subtle that the transition (if you stay conscious to witness it, like what happens at WILD) is hardly noticable. All of the sudden the body you have can be your dream body while you may still be convinced it is your physical body you are moving (hence OBE’s look so incredibly real, and hence they call it OBE in the1st place). The way to take advantage of this subtle transition is to try and move and get up slowly or roll out of your current sleeping position, in this way you will start a LD (what most would call OBE).
Xetrov, you can really test your theory that OBEs are just another lucid dream… next time somebody has an OBE - try altering the environment or what is going to happen - like you would in a lucid dream - take control.
I think most people who have an OBE do not think it is their physical body - that is why it is also referred to as Astral Traveling… they have an astral body. And they believe it is quite distinct from their physical body.
El sortilego, this test is exactly what people in OBE do and they CAN change their environment at will often (if they can’t, its due to the fact that they believe they can’t). It is explaned by guru’s like Bruce in this way: in OBE our thoughts influence the astral! (nice trick really, this way you can explain all weird things in OBE’s). Yet this is not true since it all happens in our mind where willpower is the key to everything, as anyone into LDing can tell you.
And I did not mean to say that people in OBE think its their physical body they are moving, I somehow made a mistake in writing that down. It should have been:
“All of the sudden the body you have can be your dream body while you may still be convinced you are not dreaming (hence OBE’s look so incredibly real, and hence they call it OBE in the 1st place).”
I was referring here to the smooth transition between wake and sleep that happens around this time, which causes OBE’s to look real. People may think they are awake (and so, think they are moving their astral body, not their dream body) but in reality they are already dreaming, often of their room including their own physical body lying in bed. Imagine what an inpact it could have, when you think “hey I am not dreaming and yet i see / float through my room and even see my body in bed”. Many people get convined this way they had a ‘real’ OBE.
Xertov - I realised on my way home that you had probably just been slack in your comment - I was in a narky mood yesterday and I felt like playing devils advocate. 
Still - I have to say I have never read or heard of any astral projector/OOBE (whatever) claim they have altered their environment whilst in the OBE state. That’s not to say it never happened though… I just haven’t been privileged enough to stumble upon such information… and right now I can’t be arsed looking for 'em either… but point me in the direction if you must! 
Also, there are a lot of LD’s and OBE’s that claim distinct differences in their subjective experiences.
Saying that though, I believe that its all one of the same in one long spectrum of consciousness.
Also you mention NDE as being an entirely separate phenomena? Why is this so? (Again - can’t be arsed looking for myself… just point me in the direction my man!) I would have thought they were almost one in the same as there are many common subjective elements in reports of NDE and OBE.
Also the acronym definition onthis site says OBE: Similar to a lucid dream but the person claims to be out of their body. The enviroment mimics the real world [well you expect the real world cause you think your still init] and the person claims the details, images, and memories are much more vivid than lucid dreams. [ memories of things you see the most are the most detailed ones, thats why it is often reported that one sees the shifting of one object into another -a door into a wall for example- when that person is moving away from its well known enviroments in the obe/ld]
there’s another topic on testing obe’s: ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t … c&&start=0
Well, i had my first full OBE today while tooking NAP. And i must agree with Xetrov: it was kinda LD, but only difference was that my dream body moved over my bed onto floor and then i created some vision of my room by demanding light and clarity. I was even able to choose how i want some things to see (for example: i went to certain web-site and i was unsure must it be black, or dark blue. So i decided that the background must be black and so it was). Besides: there missed some things in my room that were actually present in the same time IRL (for example my wife). To compare my experience with my usual LD-s: i had more control over what i wanted to do (fly, go through closed doors), because i was more involved on creating my dream invironment than in LD-s when i often wake up in ND. Another thing: the experience was less exciting, or less emotional than usual LD. I think it’s related with the same: i excersised more control over my environment than in usual LD.
Next time i want to create something into my room (for example time machine to get me into some other place) to show that you can alter your dream environment, and create things into it at will like in LD.
i know this has been asked many times but how do you obe? and what can i do to get it?
Doing WILD at night (best is after waking up, not when you goto sleep 1st time) is a good one for starters. Try to kind of “roll out of your body” with your dreambody (yes OBE is a subspecies of LD). If you start from a LD, you can imagine yourself lying down and do the same technique, resulting in an OBE.
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You can do it from LDs as well. First lay down into the exact position of your sleeping body - but now with your dream body of course. Then imagine yourself moving upward like you would try to expand yourself outwardly through the top of your head. Moving upward should work too.
Before you can roll out safely in respect of the sleep paralysis you may hear a click like sound or feel two point pressurised inside your body, one inside your pelvis and another one inside your scull.
If you dont know your sleep position just get off from the ground and say to yourself aloud that you want yourself taken back into your sleeping body by flying smoothly and continosuly. Focus on your palm and let yourself move freely. You’ll roll into the proper position at the proper time most likely before you hit the dream ground seemingly at a random point.
Not to argue with the last post but its just complicated.Once in ld youre out of body.No need to do anything about it(cuz prolly you will end up wasting unlimited amounts of lds on some practices that in my opinion are all unecessary).Just do what you want to do in you OOBE- just because you are in different enviroment than your bedroom doesnt mean much yet. Lds happen in some weird worlds just cuz you "wake up" in them from normal dream-its a continue from non ld u had and as u know they tend to happen just anywhere your brain uncounciously goes. OObes seem different mainly because sometimes there are clearer and start in familiar enviroment.But thats because theres nothing "before".Your mind starts travelling conciously from the moment youre concious.
To put it short- dont worry about “is it ld or oobe?” thing- enjoy the experience,you`re out and thats it.
good luck:)