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To respond to your exp ginkgothian, i think that you are close to an OBE, considering you most likely are able to induce the vibrational state (im sure the transition from single body part to whole body is easy once you can induce it, kind of imagine the energy growing or something, like it is spreading slowly but surely). As for excitement kind of bringing you out of it i can relate, too many times i have had my body awaken from excitement of SP and float state. One thing to keep in mind as you get into practicing, is to not expect too much too soon, because being consciously awake makes it harder to deepen things. (at least i think so) and cuz to expect is to set yourself for dissappointment if you dont progress as youd like to.
Oh a big thing to keep in mind is to not think, i dont know if you think alot but if you do a good tech is conscious breathing (at least while your body is still awake), and then once you get into the deeper states, i dont know. Just kind of ‘be’ if that makes any sense. Like right now look at your surroundings, but dont question them, dont comment on them. So while your in that state in sleep, and get a thought or image, dont fight it or curse yourself, just let it go and continue to be conscious of only the present moment.
Oh, in regards to progressing, in my case i make huge steps (steps that are like months apart, spontanaeity and chaos), for example, before i knew what ‘twilight state’ (below) was, i did not get closer and closer to it, but i only discovered it through spontaneously consciously waking up in it , my body asleep like a log. Since then from that experience ive gradually kind of put up a little staircase so to speak, knowing where the next level was. HOWEVER dont think that this is exactly how its going to be for you, in fact you very well might make gradual but sure progress, considering how you got vibrational state in one leg and maybe float state after, rather than the whole body.
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hello all (again)
Whenever i do AP practice (which i havent been doing much of lately ) I noticed that if i pay too much attention to my body and how it feels, that it will get stuck or just that i would not progress anymore. Its kind of like forgetting your body but the trick is in remembering it later, but not your physical body but your ‘being’ as i like to think as you can feel it trying to float out (farthest ive got as far as conscious effort AP goes, all my OBE are spontaneous or uncontrollable like id suddenly wake up floating out kind of awkward cuz i couldnt really control it, or in another i was kind of ‘swaying’ and then got kind of ‘pulled out’ or something…hehe my conditioned need for a point of balance).
Usually the farthest i get is sort of consciously waking up into a state where i can feel my body, and almost see it like its in a blue light (light the color on the ground and trees etc from a full moon), i call it ‘twilight state’’ in respect. There im stuck, but the thing is in that state i never think about AP, or anything really. With my few OBE two of them had twilight state preceding them (that i remember), but the thing im trying to figure out is the transition between falling asleep and twilight state, and also the blackout between twilight and suddenly waking up feeling like youre floating inside your body.
Thing ive noticed is that i never got vibrational state as ive heard it called except from this one dream where I was like some sort of monk and then i jumped to this patch of grass lit by the sun, meditated, and then suddenly woke up lucid in the vibrational state, i dont know it was kinda freaky, everything looked golden but in a weird way, guess its just my newbie response but i eventually knew what it was at the time and tried to AP but couldnt cuz it felt like the ‘electricity’ (how it felt) was holding me back (stuck in the pattern of the high frequency feeling if that makes any sense). But anyways hope that stuff was a little helpful, the experiences of a yet to be APer.
I think the trick in regards to AP is to kind of let go, let it happen. When i pursue it i get stuck, and then when i just kind of mellow boom im floating in my body. I speak from the one conscious actual AP ive had which was where i consciously woke up into the floating state, desperately tried to float out or seperate, and then i just kind of gave up and the next thing i know, im floating out, all awkward as usual. I also speak from my conscious pursuits into twilight state cuz usually if i try hard to attain it, i cant get there (far too often its the itching that gets me, way early on, anyone else get that?) but then i’ll just kind of give up (but not in an ‘ug’ way just not try as hard, kind of like an ‘if i dont get there oh well’ mixed with ‘im already there’ attitude) and then its like i’ll pull a dip in consciousness and then kind of wake up or notice that everything suddenly feels very different. Then i get stuck Sorry if i cant really describe it that good this stuff is hard to describe in words! I guess what im trying to say is that its probably wise to not try so hard.
As for the giving up attitude what i meant was dont give up in an ego manner like ‘aw forget this!’ and just roll on your side or something and fall asleep but to pursue it not in an ego manner like ‘oh ive gotta AP’ to something more like ‘I know i will AP, I just have to let it happen’
So anyways any advice on how i can advance, from the experts out there? Any comments on stuff i brought up, like the different states? Im more interested to hear about other peoples experiences though.
Sorry for the long post hope it wasnt a bore, like i kind of said above, i ask that you DO NOT consider your own experiences, if you feel less experienced than i, to follow in my footsteps. I personally feel that we all progress about such things VERY DIFFERENTLY, and so thats why i ask you to consider such with like a handful of salt, not just a grain.
Oh by the way im not sure if i got my acronyms right, but im pretty sure that OBE is out of body experience, and that AP is astral projection, that the difference between them is that AP is a consciously induced OBE…?