The BIG "Was this a LD?" Topic

I’m thinking no one has replied, cos no one is really sure what to make of this :wink:.

However, it does sound to me like you reach SP - which can be used for acheiving LD’s (in WILD). So yah - it’s a step in the right direction :grin:.

Hi there!

This looks like a good topic to start with for me.
Not to long ago I met someone who gives dream interpetations.
Because of her I started to pay attention to my dreams and noticed that I sometimes changed them while I was dreaming.
When dreams are scary, ore when very bad memories come up in some way, I tel myself that I am dreaming, and do not want to see/dream about those things.
I think about something else, and the thing I was dreaming is gone.
Most of the time it does not change into what I was thinking about, but it does change.
This only happens when emotions are very strong.

Is this Lucid dreaming?
Ore just a way of subconsiously not dealing with memories of some kind?

(sorry for my bad grammar, I have to get into my english again, and that will take some time :content: )

Thanks!
Greetings From Eliane/December Spirit :smile:

Well, if you tell yourself that you’re dreaming, then that implies you knew you were dreaming (though that is certain - you may have said it absent mindly).

Quite simply, ask yourself this: Did you know you were dreaming in those dreams? If the answer is yes, then you were lucid.
If the answer is no, then you weren’t.
If the answer is ‘I’m not sure’ then you probably weren’t.

If you were lucid, it sounds like a low level one. At any rate, it’s not to unusual to become lucid in nightmares to escape the problem (I know I use to when I was younger… though all I did was wake myself up).

Hope that helps you :smile:.

Thanks for your answer, I was lucid then.
I knew that I was dreaming, and decided to change the course of that part of the dream.

Low level, yes I think so too.
I never tried to become lucid, and never gave it any thought.
It must be normal that I do not control it very good. :content:

I have a question.
And hope that its oke that I post it in this topic.

In those dreams, I seem to want to run away from certain things.
And because I am aware of dreaming at those points, I realy do run away.
My question is about this.

It seems to me dreams tell and learn you so much.
But if you can ‘run’ away for the more difficult parts, you do not cope with what you should learn and see.
Is lucid dreaming good for you then?
I am a little affraid of changing the proces people have when dealing with difficult things.
dreams are very important for that :smile:

LD’ing is very good for you, in confronting your fears (as you seem to wish to do).

Imagine this - you didn’t become lucid. As such, you thought the danger was real. You’d naturally run away to save yourself.

However, when you’re lucid you know there is no danger (well, in a low level LD you may still think you’re in danger) and so can confront the fear.

There are generally two paths you can take to confront your nightmares:

  1. Kill whatever is trying to harm you.

  2. Become friends with it (at this point, it usually transforms into something nice).

Choice number two is meant to be best for you, but choice number one is funner :wink:.

I See.
The dreams are not realy about something harming me.
although, its about memory`s about things that happend in my live.
And sometimes come back aswell.
Dreaming about those things cause fear, and pain. So I make myself dream about something else.

But I see your point.
Maybe the next time I dream about it, I can be aware of the fact that I can face it.

Another question :smile:
When you have been dreaming like this, do you rest the same way as when you are not lucid?
(my bad english is bothering me big time :content: )
I mean, you are aware the whole time (can it be the whole time) So sleep is differend.

Do you understand what I mean? I cannot explain it fully right now, the words seem to be lost :smile:

Hi DecemberSpirit! Welcome to LD4all! :wave:

Your nick and avatar are very poetic! :smile:

Generally speaking, lucid dreams don’t last very long. It’s rather rare when they last more than 5 minutes. Then you go back to a normal dream (in which you do no more realize you’re dreaming) or you wake up. So it doesn’t really modify your sleep schedule.

Did you notice any increase of awareness or vividity of the background when you control your dreams? Or did it happen quite naturally, without any dramatic change in your consciousness state? It seems that a lot of women can control their dream, though they are not really lucid dreaming. It’s perhaps a prelucid state, or they become lucid just during a few seconds, modify what they want, then go back to a normal dream. :confused:

Well, just thought I’d post about this here… (I’ve already have 1 experience where I’m not sure it was lucid)
This was a few days ago. I was having this… weird dream yknow like they’re plotting something there’s no way out I’M GONNA DIE I’M GONNA DIE!!! Well jsut out of the blue I closed my eyes and thought… hey wait I’m dreaming and I told it to a DC and said “Think about it hard, we’re dreaming” and he said “Oh yeah” so I just did random stuff going where I wasn’t supposed to and stuff but one thing… I would try to fly or something if I was hhaving an LD so I’m not sure… I was at a relitively high level of lucidity though it lasted a while.

Hi Basilus West,
Thanks :smile:
The avatar shows the art of Stephanie pui-mun Law. If you like it you can pay a visit to het website. :content: www.shadowscapes.com

Mmm, I have to think about that.
I think most of the times I am only aware of myself and that I was making my dream.
Not of my surroundings, people there and other things like that.
The only thing I did was changing the course, and places.
Just like starting in the middle of a new story, the first one that jumpes into your mind.

I do not know if it was lucid ore not, it feels like natural, so then its not realy lucid I think :smile:

Its difficult to find this out, because the line between normal and lucid seems to be very thin and unclear.
It does not realy matter though, knowing what it exactly was.
I quess that it will become more clear after some time.

just curious :smile: what does your signature mean? and what kind of language is it?
(Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn!)

Hi r3sp4wn! Welcome on LD4all!

No doubt, you were lucid (as you knew you were dreaming, told it to a DC, assumed your lucidity level was rather high, etc.). Congrats for your first lucid dream! :clap:

Generally speaking, this line is not so unclear. Most of the time, there is an increase in vividness of the dream, which seems suddenly very realistic. You feel like you’re present IN the dream, exactly the same as you feel present here and now in real life, but aware of the fact you’re dreaming. So, I suppose it was a very low level of lucidity.
But as you seem to be rather gifted, you should easily succeed in transforming this in higher lucid dreams. You should try the reality checks methods.

LOL ! It’s from an H.P. Lovecraft’s novel (The Call of Chtulhu). Chtulhu is an awful, evil, ancient deity who dreams the world. It’s written in an imaginary language, the R’lyehian. It means something like: in his home in R’lyeh Island, dead Chtulhu waits dreaming. :wink:

Actually, I’ve had two, the oone I did not tell you about was weird… it was an LD inside an LD inside a ND :wink:.

Hi Basilus West,
It took me some time to give you an answer, I have been away for 2 days. But I also wanted to dream again, and see what exactly happens. So that I can explain myself better here. It did not work though, maybe because I had some stressfull days. I will try the reality check methods to see what happens. :smile:

A lot of people noticed that they are unlikely to have LD’s, or even remember dreams, when they’re stressed. Try autosuggestion before getting to sleep (repeating 20 times “This night, I’ll realize I’m dreaming” when relaxed, for instance) together with some well performed RC’s during day time (ask yourself if you’re really awake or dreaming, and imagine your RC will work before you perform it). It will give you better chances of having a LD.

Good luck! :smile:

Basilus West, thanks again :smile:
My dream memory has returned last night, so that`s progress.
Yesterday I renewed my motivation with meditation and breathing exercises, and I think that is what helped me.
Autosuggestion is something that I am deffinitly going to try.
And today I really had the time to set up my RC plans,
So that is what I am going to do the coming time :content:

Thanks :smile:

Let me get this straight… there’s low-level lucidity and high level lucidity?

Just how real does high level lucidity seem?

Hey Defiance :smile:

The level of lucidity depends on how clear your awareness is while in the dream. For instance if you’re low-level lucid, you might think in the back of your head “well this is it. I’m dreaming”, but you still act as if the dream is real to some extent. If you’d suddenly see a monster, you probably start running from it, because your mind is still too clouded to understand it’s all illusionary. There’s still too much emotional entanglement with the dream contents.
If you’re highly lucid, you’re truly aware of the nature of the dream, and if a monster is on your path, you’ll recognize its true nature and probably won’t be as afraid of it anymore as when you’re low-level lucid.
From my own experience, a LD hardly ever consists on one specific lucidity level. It’s more like a continuum: some moments are nonlucid, others are prelucid, low-lucid and there are some peak moments of high-level lucidity.

The realness of high level lucidity depends not only of your awareness, but also on the stability of the dream. Usually, high level LDs look more stable than low-level LDs, because you’re more emotionally detached from the dream events while highly lucid, thus there’s less emotional interference between your dream mind and the dream environment. In nonlucid dreams, the profound attachment and entwining between your thoughts, emotional reactions and other mental projections, and the dream contents give it a chaotic outlook. High-level lucidity gives you the opportunity to look upon the dream from a more detached perspective, thus stabilizing it and making it more real, less chaotic. But that’s all in general, and ofcourse the extent to which you perceive the dream as real, highly depends on your own mental blueprint. But yeah… it can become more real than real life :smile:

In low levels, you react stupidly, for instance believing that something will hurt you, running away instead of trying to change the dream, believing that DC’s are dreaming too, etc.
In high levels, your mind is clear, you have access to your waking life memories, recall your dream objectives, you’re clear about your personal choices and thus have many possible courses of action available to you.

I think i had my first lucid dream in yrs. this morning. I can’t recollect the dream sequence up until the part where i became lucid. i crossed train tracks and began climbing a fence. as i climbed the fence became higher and higher. at some point i was between 50 to 100 ft up and lost my grip. this part seemed lucid because as i was falling backwards everthing turned white and slowed down. I had a tingle all through my body. i am afraid of heights and realized i was dreaming and was giggling as i drifted like a leaf…then awoke. I realize now i should have rolled over and tried to fly. i am looking forward to attempting further lucidity. thanks in advance for any suggestions or advice.

Hiya, I’m the newbiest newbie on the block, so, hi.

I’ve only ever had one LD, years ago, and being the boring cow I am the first thing I thought to do was scrunch up myy eyes and wake up. :cry:

But I’ve been dream journalling and reality testing (reading text multiple times, etc). I can easily remember 1 dream a night now, after about 5 days. Only once did I just get a vague image. The rest of the time, I got 1+ dreams in detail. Usually after waking up early, and sleeping for an hour or so, but even when I don’t I can still usually remember.

Anyway, the other night I dreamt I was at my old school, and the teacher handed me some biscuits. Not being a biscuit person, I kinda accepted the gift nonchelantly and quite rudely. This struck me as out of character, but I thought “Ah, but in reality, I’d had done it like this.” I then rewound time and…

woke up. bleh. I wasn’t really concious it was a dream, but then how did my ‘dream self’ know it wasn’t real…

The other time I’m pretty sure would count as a WILD, or something. Just without the L bit… :sad: :confused:

I was excercising my imagination as I lay awake, steadily expanding a white pearl sphere in my head. I lost conciousness as I zoomed in and discovered it had pores, like an apple. While I was zoomed in, it had turned into a white apple. I went around to the bottom, where the funny ends-of-petals bits are left over from the flower stage (you know what I mean). They opened up, and I saw a baby’s lips. I then got bitten by the end of the apple.

So, your thoughts? Not exactly lucid, I know, but I’ve never had dreams like those before.

Amy

With the first one - did you actually know you were dreaming?
Or did you know it wasn’t real life, but thought if was somethign else (eg. TV show, computer game)?
Or did that thought pass through your mind, but you didn’t really pay attention to it (like it was just a stray thought).

If it was the first one, then you were lucid. If it was the second or third, you were pre-lucid (almost lucid in other words).

For that second dream, it just sounds like HI.