The BIG WBTB Topic - Part II

ahhahahaha you crack me up, probably only because I just woke up to do this on 5 hours of sleep though :bored: victory is mine.

I did WBTB last night and stayed up for about 15 minutes. During that time I ate a Hershey’s Smores bar for a midnight snack. When I woke up in the morning, I found myself extremely tired for the amount of sleep I got.

Does eating at night mess up sleep or was it just the marshmellows in there or something?

Do you mean you were up for a total of 15 minutes or you stayed up for 15 minutes then went back to bed. If the later how long did it take you to actually get back to sleep.

I try to stay up as short a time as possible.

I don’t know much about lucid foods but I hear cheese is supposed to be a good snack for LD ‘ing.

A couple of times, I have come to work at the wrong time. Since I wasn’t supposed to work for another 6 hours, I walked 4 km back home and took a nap. It gave me a LD all three times. :cool: It takes a lot longer to fall asleep when the sun is up, but if you are sleepy enough it is opssible.

I turned on the light and got out of bed and stayed active for 15 minutes and went back to sleep. I don’t recall how long it took to get back to sleep, but it seemed fairly fast.

Also, while on the topic, do lights affect us a lot during WBTB? Doesn’t bright lights for a period of time in the middle of the night make your brain get rid of all the melatonin or something like that?

Have you tried not staying up that long. When you wake up just go right back to sleep. In fact if you do not have to don’t even get out of bed. That is what I do and it does not disturb my sleep. I am usually only up for a few minutes just enough time to use the bathroom and climb back in bed and bak in dreamland within a few minutes after that.

Not really sure. I know sunlight has an effect but, not artificial light as far as I know. Unless you use full spectrum bulbs.

wow just found this forum WBTB… well i use am alarm on my phone to get up, does that effect you in any way when you turn it off and then just go right back to sleep using WILD/MILD techniques? does the alarm make it harder to LD or not really and effect… but i also stay up for as little as possible which seems to work better for me since i cant get back to sleep after staying up 90 minutes… i usually sleeo abuot 7 hours anyways…

I tried WBTB last night. I fell asleep at about 11:20 or so, and set my alarm for 5:30 before that.

I got up, read LD4all for about 30 minutes, and tried to go back to sleep.

I was doing MILD, and I was tired, but I just couldn’t get back to sleep. Eventually I just masturbated and that conked me out five minutes later.

Bunch of questions if someone could answer them. :smile:

  1. Is a certain number of hours to sleep before you wake up better than others? (Is 6 hours better than 4 or 5?)
  2. Is it really NECESSARY to stay up for 30 minutes, or could I say “Well, I’m up.” then go right back to sleep?
  3. Do you think masturbation’s not good to the LD process? (I read the thread, but it’s kind of a mix of yes’s and no’s.)

I don’t know, maybe it just takes a lot of experimenting.

Generally speaking, it’s said you have to wake up after 3 or 4 sleep cycles, so it makes 4.5 or 6 hours.

Laberge’s experiments have shown that you have 4 times more LD’s if you stood up for 60 minutes instead of 10 minutes.
More info at the Lucidity Institute.
So, it’s not necessary to stay up for a long time, but that’s better.

Yes and no. :tongue:


Thanks Basilus West.

I tried it last night (got up at 4am after going to bed at about…10:30 or so). I wrote down some dreams and stayed up for about 20 minutes (kind of not FULLY awake), then went back to sleep.

Going back to sleep was just uncomfortable and verrrry tough. Usually I’m out like a LIGHT, but it’s been this way for awhile. I was hungry, and blah blah blah, pretty much, I just need to find a reliable way of getting to sleep.

(Although masturbation puts me out fast.)

But, since I’m not sure what it does to my DR. (I couldn’t even remember ANY after I woke up at 6. Maybe I just have this idea in my head that it hinders DR…? No idea. I just need a way to get to sleep.)

(It could quite possibly be that after I masturbate, I just conk right out, and don’t even focus on MILD or anything. Feedback?

Hello All,

Must say, the WBTB is my BEST(and seems to be the only) way to get lucid.

sometimes I will do the WBTB after my 4 and a half hours of sleep and it won’t work, but what works great is to again set my alarm for 1 hour and a half hoursbefore I really have to get up…I will put my alarm right next to me…when it goes off, I will press snooze(9minutes), I will drift to sleep…it will go off after the 9 minutes, press snooze…drift off…

Well it gives me about 10 chances to LD !
Yet, the LD will only be less than 9 minutes, because the alarm will go off again, but it’s all worth it because it is easy.

I’m doing WBTB right now. There was once a period where i used this technique so much that i began to naturally wake up after 6 hours but not have the time or motivation to continue the procedure. But i have been successful with this tech many times.

hey #six that sounds like a cool idea… at least for practicing :smile:
When you get better and start to close in on 10/10 you could stop the snoozing and there’s a big chance of an hour long LD when you WILD :happy:

It’s vacation so I’m gonna try WBTB again one of these days :smile:
The hardest part is going to sleep again. I can be the whole time a little bit sleepy but when I’m in bed again I’m completly awake. That’s very annoying. Any tips?

When you do WBTB don’t stay up too long ( only a few minutes at most ). In fact, if you do not have to don’t even get out of bed. It works for a lot of people who can’t get back to sleep if they stay up too long when doing WBTB.

That’s the same with me, but I just have to practice relaxation a little to return quickly to a sleepy state. Perhaps it could work with you too…

Strangely enough, thinking about getting out of bed helps with falling asleep…i guess it makes us realise how comfortable the bed really is.

#Six: This works well for me too, at least for dream incubation! But the first dreams in the string are difficult to remember. Do you do anything in between the small dreams to remember them better?

It could be an idea to turn the alarm off after a LD, and try to go back for a longer version? :cool:

Last night I did my first “serious” try with WBTB; while I have tried many times before waking up in the middle of the night and immediately go back to sleep doing WILD/MILD, this morning I woke up after 6 hours of sleep and read stuff on LDs for about 20 minutes before going back to sleep and doing MILD. I then had a relatively normal dream, when I suddenly thought in my dream, “hey, now that I’ve been up for a while I should probably go back to sleep now and try to have an LD.” I was then suddenly jarred from sleep by a phone call (damn it!). I’m sure if I’d continued dreaming I would’ve become lucid not much later.

Haha yeah the mind can become so twisted in a dream :wink: At least it is a very good sign that WBTB/MILD might work for you. Definitely keep trying.

Good luck! :happy:

Hey, i just tried the wbtb. last night i said “i’ll wake up in 5 hours” i set an alarm on the computer and by golly i woke up a minute before the alarm went off and laid to bed for three hours motionless bored out of my mind. I couldn’t fall back asleep so i left my room and snapped at family members and am now scheduled for anger management which will come into conflict with my lucid dreaming schedule directly! Thanks lucid dreaming for making me an angry insomniac with a needlessly busier schedule! just kidding, but i hate when you can’t fall back asleep.