The BIG WILD topic, part XVI

I have an help request:
About a month ago I had my first WILD, but after that I didn’t have a single LD!

I do WBTBs with WILD attempts almost every night, this way:
-I wake up after about 6-7 hours of sleep
-I wait about 30 minutes, going to the bathroom, reading something, writing in my DJ…
-I go back to sleep in a comfortable position
-To help myself relax and mantaining concentration I count my breaths
-After a little while I enter SP (now I can enter SP whenever I want, I had a month of costant training after all :tongue: )
-My SP is very weak, it’s hard to move, but I can if I’m really willing to do so. I have just a little HI and only during transition phase or a little before
-When I am in SP, I start counting “1… I’m dreaming… 2… I’m dreaming…” and so on, at a slow rate, and restarting from 1 after reaching 100
-Now the problematic part. I count a lot. I usually get to 150 or more without even getting to transition phase
-When I’ve been counting a lot, I get a strange feeling. I feel just like I have to move, to change position, to exit my bed or something. Anyway, I have to move
-I try to resist, but this stresses me even more (thus reducing the probability of entering the dream-state; also, at some point I can’t resist anymore and I have in fact to move. At this point, I break out of SP, and the WILD attempt is gone
-If I try to lay down again, I just lack motivation at this point

The “strange” fact is that during my only succeded WILD attempt I did exactly the same steps but I easily got to transition phase and I entered the dream after counting only to about 75. I’m quite sure that if I could make SP “faster” and thus enter transition phase earlier I could easily WILD.

I thought I was just too awake after 30 minutes of WBTB, so I tried to stay awake only for 15 minutes but I just fell asleep without entering SP completely :neutral:

What am I doing wrong? Any hints on how to enter transition phase earlier?

No such help for you is to be coming from me, that is. I have your same problem. Although…as far as resisting the urge to move, I personally feel it is best just to relax and do what you normally would. Don’t make yourself uncomfortable because you don’t think you can move. Just move, and go right back to where you were. It may be a setback, as you say, at first, but you will eventually get over it.

Hey Sunshadow, try these tips :

  • count slower
    *count with your breath while saying 1-im dreaming. This way you can calm yourself.
  • listen to relaxing music while Wilding

Apart from that, i don’t know what the problem is :sad:

Good Luck!

Thanks for the answers :smile:

Well, maybe I’ll try moving as I would normally do, but I won’t have much time to WILD then… I usually WBTB from about 6:30 to 7:00, then I stay in SP until about 8:15 sometimes… I’m on holiday now and I can get up later than usual, but not too late (or my parents get upset :tongue: ), so if I just move at 8:15, exiting SP, I won’t have enough time to try again…

About the 2 counting techniques, I’ve been trying both. I try to count at a rate I find comfortable, which is either with my breath or very slow…
Maybe I’ll try the music :wink:

Thanks again for the hints :smile:

Hey Everyone. I’m been having some trouble with WILD. I WILD a lot, normally, not WBTB/WILD. I get reasonably far, experience HH and HI, and sometimes get enough vibrations that i forget i have a real body. the point is. I want to try WBTB/WILD, but when i do, the vibrations hit me so hard. I feel really weak, and the vibrations just take over my body. I usually give up on WBTB/WILD, and feel releived to move my body. Once i try WBTB/WILD, i can’t fall asleep, because when i do try, i feel the vibrations and purposely move my body to get rid of them. Help? :help:

The post ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t … highlight= describes a relaxation/WILD method that is good for WBTB.

I’ve had this question in my head so long now…better get it off here before i forget. =P

What’s it supposed to feel like as you enter the dream? Or will you just realise that something feels different…? Been bugging me like forever this question >_<

:slight_smile:

Ok i will answer your question, but that doesn’t mean you should expect this when WILDing. You enter a dream in diffrent ways. I have only WILDed once and this is what happened :

I saw some HI of a duck, and suddenly, lights came on and i was in a room with a duck.

You can enter a dream in other ways such as zooming in on something and then finding it in your hand in a dream.

Usually, I can’t feel my breathing or heartbeat, and my body begins to float. However, I just can’t drift off well enough.

I will almost always hear some kind of noise getting louder and louder, then settle off. When this happens, I’m usually in my room when I open my eyes, but dreaming.

SunShadow, I don’t know if any of what I am going to say was already proven wrong but I had the strangest (and enlightening) experience this morning.

(I did a WBTB at 8am)
I tried to stay away from thinking about lucid dreaming, trying to just let things happen without mentally responding to it. I changed my position every little while when I felt like it. After a bit, I found a position which I stayed in and entered a dream-like state of SP maybe 5 minutes after I stopped moving. After that happenes, I never feel like I need to move. I’m in a dream state and I just feel floaty. Actually, this time I felt like some hands were grabbing my feet and dragging me across the floor (but still floaty-feeling so it didn’t bother me). The only problem with that is then my feet began to feel ticklish, so thinking I was totally in the dream world now (bad mistake) I “pulled my feet away” and ruined everything. I came out of SP by moving my feet. I am still learning not to do that.

ANYWAY the point is that from this experience I feel it is absolutely ok to change your position whenever you feel like it, and then stop changing position once you enter a dream-like state (where you just feel floaty and won’t feel like changing position). I know this sounds crazy, but my experience has lead me to believe this.

What do you mean, you had a month of constant SP training? And do you have any tips on entering SP at will?

Argitoth:
Well, the fact is that I don’t feel uncomfortable until that point; when I lay down I immediately try to find the most comfortable position possible; I’m going to try a new position the next time I try (this morning I woke up too early and I couldn’t try eat). Only after a lot of time I am in SP (at least an hour) I have that uncomfortable feeling…
Well, during SP I never feel “floaty”, but I have strange sensations; I usually feel my hands (sometimes other parts of the body) in different positions from their actual one; sometimes I feel like my hands are touching each other when I know they aren’t, for example.
Your information will be useful though, I usually stay still when I feel I have to move slightly, I’ll try to mve next time. Thanks! :content:

Cynster:
Well, simply I am now able to enter SP whenever I try, as long as I’m laying down on my bed… I can also do this at evening, and not during a WBTB, but it is quite pointless :tongue:

To enter SP I just find a comfortable position, close my eyes and stay still, and it comes spontaneously in a short time, but only if I want (every time I just want to sleep without attempting to WILD, I fall asleep just after starting to feel SP; when I’m tired, however, I fall asleep before feeling it, but still I can feel it if I’m motivated to).

About the “month of costant training” I jsut mean that I’ve been trying to WILD for about a month now almost every morning; I’ve had only one WILD but a lot of SPs, so it has worked pretty well as an SP-training :tongue: (I would prefer full WILDs anyway).

However, since my SP is very weak (I can break it quite easily if I try) and almost without HI it’s easy for me to get through it (except for the point I said). Only one time I felt a strong SP (I couldn’t move anything except my eyes and it was hard to break out of it) but it happened while waking up, not while falling asleep… and I wasn’t trying to do anything that time :tongue:

I am new at wilding and when i wild how can i feel the vibrations and the HI. Do any of you have any methods i should do to wild.

One night I was trying to WILD, but I felt some parts of my body (ex. My hands, my shoulders, my feet) start involuntarily twitching. Is this normal for a beginner or does this usually happen

Plus, I never realise when I am dreaming or not, so sometimes I stop my WILDing (thinking I’m dreaming) and perform a RC, only to realise that I am indeed awake. Can somebody tell me how you realise when you are dreaming or not?

Also, many times I get an itch on my face and I want to scratch it , but I’m afraid that all of my waiting will go to waste. Should I go ahead and scratch it anyways, since it interferes with my ability to relax, or try my hardest to ignore it…

NOTE This might not seem like that important of a problem to you, but it is a major problem for me…

Ignore it. I’m no expert, but in my own experience trying to WILD, I’ve ignored my itches and eventually I barely even noticed them at all, it’s hard to explain the feeling…it’s like the itch felt very far away and small, like it wasn’t even happening to me. And it’s quite empowering to overcome the urge to scratch! :content:
Others will tell you the same thing, I’m sure. If you scratch, you will lose your level of relaxation and basically have to start all over again.

First of all, SP is different for everyone, and even the same person can have different feelings every time, so it’s not so sure you will see HI or feel vibrations.
The method I use is the following:
-After a WBTB, when you lay down, find a comfortable position. It’s quite easy to enter SP if you lay on your back and let your arms rest just next to you, without touching your body. This position is usually uncomfortable for sleeping but it’s very effective for WILDing (at least it was for me).
-When you feel comfortable close your eyes and breath slowly. Concentrate on your breaths and count them (this helps you keep concentration).
-If any thought arises, let it go. Do not think about anything that is not your breath. If you find yourself thinking about anything else, concentrate again on your breath. It’s easier if you count up to 10 and then restart from 1; this way the counting doesn’t tend to become automatic and it’s easier to find out if you lose oncentration.
-At some point, if you have done it well, you will feel some vibrations that usually start from the tip of one of your limbs. I don’t know if they are the same for everyone; for me, they’re weak vibrations that start from my left hand, diffuse to all the left arm and then they diffuse to the rest of the body. For some people they start from the feet, and maybe for you they will start from another place. Just ignore the vibrations and stay still. It’s nothhing to worry about. The first times you feel SP it may be scary, but if you know what it is, you have no reason to be frightened. Anyway, as soon as the vibrations arise, start counting in a different way: you should count alternating numbers to the words “I’m dreaming”, this way “1, I’m dreming; 2, I’m dreaming; 3, I’m dreaming…” and so on (the words “I’m dreaming” are not really necessary, but they work almost like a self suggestion). You should count at a rate you feel comfortable with, for example with your breath or very slowly (as wissam told me before). Here you need to be less concentrated, so it’s better to keep counting until you reach 100, not 10, and then restart.
-With these vibrations, HI may arise. Unluckily this is usually not my case, so I can’t describe HI very well… you could see very simple or very complex and realistic light patterns, sounds, or other feelings… they can change over time, for example, you could see some simple HI and after some time it becomes more and more complex. HI is not so easy to pass… you must ignore it, but not too much; if you ignore it completely, it may disappear and it’s like a step back in the process, but i you pay too much attention, it’s easy to lose concentration and fall asleep completely. Think of them as part of the environment, and think of them as they were real. Try to not think “This is just HI” or they will very likely disappear. Just keep counting.
-After some time, you will enter the transition phase. It’s the last obstacle before the WILD, so you are almost there! Physical sensations could change completely. You could feel stronger vibrations or even something weird like people walking on you. Also, HI could become more detailed and complex. Keep acting like before. Remain passive and keep counting. It may be hard to remain passive with people walking on you, but if you lose concnetration at this point, you’ll fall asleep.
-If you are successful in mantaining the concentration, then you have done it! You will find yourself inside a dream! Unluckily, I can’t be of much help here; I WILDed only one time. I suddenly found myself laying in my bed with my eyes open (though I did not open them) but lights were on and the window was open (if I was still in bed they shouldn’t have been, right?), so I did a RC and it had a positive result. Now, how to avoid my error: as soon as you enter the dream, pay attention to the environment. Look around, stare at something (ie. your hands) until you see a lot of details, concentrate on sounds and smells, search for wildlife… try to feel the world around you as it was real. This is useful in any LD, not just in WILDs; it helps improving the stability of the dream… I’m saying that because my WILD was very short… I wasn’t even able to get out of my bed :sad:

Oh, a last note: as Cynster said, if you have an itch, ignore it. If you keep concentrating on the counting, the itch will feel somewhat distant and unimportant.

You have very likely already read almost everything I wrote in this post, but I hope I was of some help :wink:

I just tried WILD’ing for the first time yesterday and I guess maybe I made so progress . . . I don’t know.

At first my body was cold as hell and I was kind of shivering during the night, all I could do was lie down and try to sleep. Ignoring random itches I suddenly felt that from my hands to my feet, my body was becoming warmer and felt kind of heavier or tense . . . not by that much though.

As I started counting and breathing along with the counting my heart sometimes pumped faster and faster . . . and along with these heart pumping moments my foot sometimes felt tingy and sometimes it twitched. When my heart pumped harder my hands started to twitch too. It wasn’t after 1 hour and 20 minutes staying like this I got up and went to the washroom. . . and my legs still felt weak and warm.

Is this good o_o?

Deerdancer, I have almost the same problems. Most of the time random parts of my body start twitching, and I start sweating really hard. Also, my heart starts beating really fast.

My problem isn’t so much as I keep falling to sleep, but I can’t go to sleep…

Plus, I lie awake for almost three hours attempting WILD, and still nothing happens…

My last problem is that I’ve had so many experiences with SP (before I knew what it was) that now, anytime I don’t try to move for about 20 or so minutes, I start to panic and move out of instinct…

Oh man! You were right! I have heard it all, but that was so well explained and cleared up a few things that helped tons! Thanks!