The Dream World is the real Real World

I have a theory that the Dream World is the natural state, not the Physical World, and that what we percieve as Reality is, in fact, a conditional exercise (delineated by non-contradiction). What this exercise’s purposes are, I don’t know, but I see sleep as a shutdown of the exercise, allowing the mind to return to it’s normal state, the Dream World.

In fact, I’m tempted to think that, upon death, a person returns to the Dream World for an extended period, before awakening again in some other part of Reality, or maybe a new game altogether.

Thoughts?

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The Rev

so Reality World could be a computer game. When you go to “sleep”, it is as if you stop playing for sometime and when you wake up you resume the game. When you “die” you start a new game with a different character. Is this some kind of a MMORPG?

That’s a good analogy. What’s an MMORPG? (I’m 40, if that helps.)

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The Rev

A MMORPG is an online computer game where you play in real-time with other players.

About the topic, I don’t think the Dreamworld is the real world.
Dreams take place in our mind, that’s it. I don’t believe in “astral plan” and such. But everyone is free to chose their opinions and this is an interesting theory

It’s like an extended version of reincarnation, but the dream world being the “waiting room”. :happy:

If that black blurry void of sensory deprivation is reality, then I’m screwed. Big time.

Sure, it’s like a game, just the main character isn’t sure if anyone turns the power back on once it gets shut off.

That would be pretty weird, especially considering that dreams have no consequences, they’re in no specific order, and there are DC’s all around… if you never come back to the waking world… wouldn’t the same dream continue forever? But then, dreams would get consequences, because they’d never end…

So after you die, it’d be pretty much the same thing as solipsism, with only your own consciousness existing?

I hope we do end up in a dream when we die, at least for a little while. Sounds a lot better to me than “nothingness”.

It’s an interesting idea and i’ve thought along similar lines before. It’s impossible to prove the idea either way though. In some ways dreams seem like a contradiction to the physical world because they don’t follow physical logic, but this is scientifically explained by dreams being a psychological process.
On the other hand, the physical world being a conditional exercise seems contradictionary to the fact that dreams seem to have no stable laws. However this could also be explained by saying that since dreams have no actual laws, then anything can happen, including what you described.
Each idea seems to be on equal footing philosophically.

Still, it’s an interesting thing to think about and a cool idea.

I think the only real difference between the Physical World and the Dream World, experientially, is the stability of it. In the Physical world, we have the law of non-contradiction. It’s very stable, and makes it easy to function with very little awareness of one’s surroundings. The Dream World requires more awareness, more focus. This fact causes me to think of “training wheels” when I consider the role of the Physical “waking” World.

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The Rev

I agree that when we die we probably do enter a prolonged stay in the dreamworld, but i don’t agree about dreamworld being the natural state.

It just wouldn’t make sense… why would we have this reality where everything remains as you left it before and after you sleep? dreams are random so it doesn’t make sense to be living in a reality of randomness.

I really hope that one day dreams will merge with this reality and we will live out this more ‘concrete’ reality but with the added ability of doing things like flying, teleporting, manifestation, etc. That would be the perfect existence in my opinion.

If that’s true, how I am a talking to you right now?

And how could some people be convinced they don’t dream at all?

Or maybe the dream world and the physical world are both equally the natural state.

Consider this. The Waking world is like a geometry plane. It has points on it, each one representing either you, me, or Jhon J Weff, whatever.

So we all share that reality.

Now, every point has a line that is perpendicular to the plane. These are our own personal dream worlds.

And, for the hell of it. Sometimes these lines tilt and intersect, shared dreams.

So that’s my crappy metaphor. Anyway i think that the waking world and our dreamworlds are part of the whole “reality” we know. Other’s may not know the same dream reality as us, but have their own.

I like this theory.

imagine our life is a line, normally we move from the middle outwards to the ends of the line, but when we are dreaming we move inwards from the ends into the middle.