Theory - Physical Change

Well, I was thinking of this:

Your mind controls your dreams, right?
And your mind also controls the reactions that take place inside your body, for example, tanning.

So what if we were to contact our own mind in our dreams, and make it produce melanin, in order to tan. Would that work? If it would, You needn’t even go on holiday to have a summery look!

This things are very interesting to think of.Food for thought.
I think if you would trigger some action through you’re dreams you could change you’re body in a limit way.
Things that certain pills that trigger certain attributes wouldn’t be needed.
But i think its’ limited to skin, hair and maybe even eyes.

Yes, I don’t believe you can change your actual bone structure,but maybe you could lose weight, by triggering your brain to think you were, so it produces more stomach acids in your body. I also don’t think you could go from being black to white or white to black, but maybe tan, or give your hair “sun dye”.

Keen thinking, but it wouldn’t exactly work, because it’s a chemical process. You actually need to damage your skin (which is a strong word, admittedly) to cause the melatonin to oxidise, which causes it to grow darker.

It’s a pretty dramatic change for the melatonin, so it would (probably, i’m no biologist or psychologist so this is educated guessing) not work, since you can’t exactly irradiate yourself with UV light just by thinking about it.

Yes, but we can’t imitate UV light, but as I have tanned before, surely my mind would know the process and darken my skin, without damging anything?

I don’t think so, considering exposure to UV light, and thus darkening of the pigments, IS damaging.

To illustrate: when you cut yourself, your body responds by clotting the blood (converting fibrinogen to fibrin), which will block the wound from bleeding more. But you couldn’t tell your own body to clot your blood, it’s simply not in your control.

Maybe that’s a poor example- like i said, i’m know very little about biology.

Maybe so, but your brain is linked to your body in some way, because it is your nervous system which passes the commands from your brain to your body for these things to happen, I believe

Unfortunately, no. It couldn’t matter less what your mind thinks of tanning or not, it has zero control. Tanning is essentially cooking your skin, and the process is in no way connected to the central nervous system. Mild radiation burns and the brain are in no way related to each other. Even a corpse’s skin can burn, and I doubt their mind is very active at that point.

Your theory is logical, but is based on a faulty premise. And while we can get extra control over our mind, it doesn’t give us total control over our brain

I see… But you know how some people can summon their SC?

Maybe they could take that further, and summon their brain?

It probably sounds stupid, but it is just a theory…

You could probably contact your mind in order to change certain things, but you definitely couldn’t tan yourself just by communicating with your Subconscious. You probably could change behavior and mood through this though.

There are physical traits that I think thoughts have control over, like perhaps pimples or hair loss. Anything the placebo effect can help prevent/cause is within the means of the mind to control.

The part of your brain that controls automatic function such as bowel movement, blood circulation and unconscious breathing is not accesible through thought alone. Parts of it can be overridden, such as breathing or some minor changes to heart rate, but that’s about it. It is neurologically separated as a matter of self preservation.

The problem is you’re confusing physiology with psychology. The two are not interchangable.

Yes, sunlight, more precisely, UV light is what causes tanning.
Did you know that the darker your skin is, the more dead cells you have? Yes…those cells die…so I don’t know if you could cause that by your mind.

But you could…who knows really?
Shouldn’t someone just try instead of discussing it into infinity? :tongue:

They’re not interchangeable, but surely our mind and our body do interact. (in one way or the other, the mind-body-problem would exceed this discussion i think :smile:)
First of all, tanning is not damaging the skin. It is caused mostly by UVB-radiation which of course is harmful, but those two things shouldn’t be mixed up. Melanin is produced in melanocytes, specialized cells in our skin. There are various stimuli for this process, for example UV radiation, vitamin D and the melanocyte-stimulating hormone. We know that hormones are responsible for about everything in our body, and thinking of feelings (depression etc) there are connections between our body and our mind here. It is possible to feel better by changing your way of thinking and other kinds of “manipulation”, which means that it is possible to influence the production of certain hormones by manipulating your thoughts which will in turn manipulate your subconscious. So, in theory, it could be possible to influence the production of this melanocyte-stimulating hormone as well.
Of course I don’t know if it would really work, but why not simply try? Some experienced LDers wanting to darken their skin? :wink: (Oh, and if I made a mistake- sorry, I’m no expert as well.)

So, getting away from this example: In general it is possible to consciously influence your metabolism (is this the word I can use in this context?- well, you know what I’m trying to say), so it is possible to use your (lucid) dreams for doing so. It would, however, be interesting to find out to which extent it works…

Agreed. Why not give it a try? Lucid Dreaming has surprised us before, hasn’t it? :tongue:

Here is a theory for losing weight. If you eat too many calories, due to the love of junk food then your brain is most likely ‘addicted’ to these foods and wants a ‘fix’ of them. In a lucid dream you could eat the food, and psychologically you would have had your ‘fix’ but you would NOT have eaten any calories, so you wouldn’t gain weight. Then in the real world you would not have cravings for the junk food, especially if you tell yourself you’ll get more tonight in the dream.

It is just a theory, although I read something about it being successful for people. Would you also be able to increase self confidence, or public speaking?

Think about this however…
There are people who have healed themselves through a lucid dream. I’ve read about a woman who had cancer and who in her lucid dream created a healing light that she ran over the areas of her body that were afflicted, or maybe she absorbed the light (I’ve been reading so much I don’t quite recollect exactly). Her cancer “mysteriously” disappeared!
Both our dream body and our “real” body, are essentially made out of energy. Nothing else. So if there is cohesion between our dream body and our energy body, (I believe that happens when lucid dreaming) then yes, I believe that anything one does in a lucid dream to one’s lucid body could transfer to one’s “real” body. Both our energy bodies however are governed by thought though (I think therefore I am) so there cannot be a doubt in your mind when attempting this in a lucid dream. I also think you will have to have achieved total clarity and awareness in your lucid dream, no foggy or shifty stuff that indicates only partial clarity. That in itself takes practice and time and willpower to achieve.
This is what I am hoping for. The ability to heal myself and others in the future through lucid dreaming. Think of the potential! I really wonder what (wo)mankind can achieve. :yinyang:

Regarding healing cancer with the mind, I have heard of a similar story before; it was not with lucid dreaming, but with hypnosis I believe, or just self will power. The cancer some how disappeared. Amazing stuff.

If anybody here has studied hypnosis even a small bit, they will understand how powerful it is to gain access to the subconscious (when you’re brain is hyper suggestive) - you can change yourself so much mood/confidence/thought-wise. If that can be achieved here also then this would be amazing.