voodoo dream dolls

Beyond Dreaming
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moved to beyond since it’s all about AP-ing now

Ok so heres the deal. As some of you may know how I beleive, and practice my spirituality. A little of this a tad of that. I mix Christianity, and prayer, with Wicca,and spells and Taoisem, and now a bit of voodoo.or whatever, and I basicaly make it up as I go, and so far its worked. So Im trying a expirament Ive made a cool… I gues you could call it a voodoo doll, but Im calling it my dream doll. If you want to know how I made this one heres the link you might try it allso. youtube.com/watch?v=KLkkBGwm1Tg
Not all voodoo dolls are inteded for evil some are used for other things, anyway its all plazebo effect anyway which dosnt make it any less spiritual, or magical in my opinion. so anyway I put this doll togeather, and I love it its pretty cool, and I prayed over it asking it to represent my astral body. Right now Im going to carry it around for a month so that it will have my energy on it, and Im allso sleeping with it. Yes Im sleeping with a doll. Now what Im going to do after I have it charged with my energy is. Im going to place the doll outside. Probley on full moon nights for the extra kick, and sence I blessed it with it being my astral body Im hoping to project to it when I have it outside. I have a strong feeling it will work. Ill let you know how it turns out. Im still charging it now. So just thought I would confess that Im sleeping with my doll. I do need to name it any suggestions? It might be a good idea to try this yourself. Lets make dream dolls.

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Maybe I missed it in your post… but whats the point of making such a doll in the first place? What are you trying to achieve by doing this? From what I understand, this is just as good to have posted this experiement in one of Bruno’s magick threads too. You are trying to bring about a specific change, and this is your ritual.

Or maybe you are just a 37 year old man who is looking for an excuse to still sleep with a doll? :eh:

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well i’m the kind of guy who usually gets fascinated by such ideas quite readily…but frankly speaking, this one dint really click…
but i see that you are quite into this stuff, so i hope you find something worth there…good luck from my end…

LOL :grin: :tongue:

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Pazebo effect, or not It worked lastnight. I put it under a tree, and focused on it, and sure enough I was surprised when I actualy went to it. Im defintely trying againt tonight , and no Im not just looking for an axcuse to sleep with dolls. Im not actualy sleeping with. I guess I should have put this in the magick foum. I started feeling the vibration, and I guess sence I was focused on the doll I gravetated over to it under the tree. I tried to look at at, but couldnt see it. Im defintly going to try it again.

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OK now Im a little freaked. I took a nap to see if it would happen again, but this time I moved it under a diffrent to see where I would go, and sure enough I went right to it. I dont know if Im liking this. If it happens one more time I might just throw it away, or keep I dont know. Its just weird.

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Yea, guys Im a little scared. I havnt had any bad APs with it, but its worked, and to be honest with you the doll gives me a creepy vibe, maybie because its assosiation with voodoo. I was going to throw it out, but should I like dissconect it from a astral body if I do this. Do you think it is dangerous? I thinks mostly, because i really didnt excpect it to work, and it did.

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You should make a little post about that in the Magick workshop too. :smile:

Voodoo is fascinating. I like to hang my friends upside down when I need to talk to them but feel too cheap to call them myself. Sometimes it works. :yes:

:roll:

In all seriousness, what you’re doing sounds pretty straightforward: you’re making a model of what you will to happen, by binding your commitment and some share of emotion and faith and whatnot to a physical object. It strengthens your will alright

Placebo or not is an immaterial question here, this ain’t science. If it works, that’s what matters. If it backfires, science won’t fix it, whereas other acts of art might. And most importantly, if it doesn’t work, that’s a result in itself and you should learn from it. Because it ain’t science: it’s art.

Plus, it’s always good to have a manly excuse for sleeping with a doll, when you’re a 37 year old male in the US. :grin:

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OK I may be sleeping with a doll, but I wraped it in bobwire, and packed it with gun powder to give more… POWER!!! gunt, grunt, grunt!!

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What is it that you do when you try to ‘Astral Project’? What is your technique? I ask because you’re being vague with this whole thing.

Did you actually place your doll outside for the night?

By the way, don’t start freaking out. Burn the thing if it’s bothering you.

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Burning is an uncontrolled transformation of energy. James, ye can’t think scientific here; think magical. Also, burning a little doll stuffed with gunpowder? Cool on the screen, not recommended. :razz:

Astral projection is intuitively easy but seldom explained. Getting started takes some effort, but getting good from there on is pretty much a matter of practice. Because it develops a whole new realm of perception, it’s very useful for experimental magicians, hence its popularity in such circles. But frankly, in itself, it’s nothing mystical or magical, it’s every bit as mundane as, say, lucid dreaming. Just some cool gig that some people can pull out with a little practice.

But I’m not helping you here. Let’s try an easy definition.

So you have your physical body. Let’s not be cartesian for a moment and assume it’s there. You have no direct experience of your physical body or the physical world, you can only observe them through phenomena called perceptions. This is where it gets fun.

See, your physical body is wired in a way that it creates a model of yourself and of the physical world (insofar as you can perceive it). But the wiring itself works in such a way that it is only informed by perceptions, it’s not necessarily determined by it. For instance, a dream can be said to be a false perception, or maybe a model which is not informed by physical perceptions.

So if you know the right exercises, arguably, you can bring about phenomena which aren’t of a physical nature. You can be a dragon. You can fly. You can pay me a visit in a tavern in Calla. Enter the astral world, which you’re most familiar with through dreams.

But wait: since your contact with the physical world is itself astral, since your model of the physical world is a subset of what your astral world can be, then you ought to be able to bend your model of the physical world even when you’re not asleep. Astral projection is more or less like this: dreaming awake, flying in the real world.

What you believe this to mean is up to you. But you can be a dragon and fly in waking life if you train yourself to. You can see yourself from above. You can eavesdrop on others by turning into a fly. Just don’t expect other people to buy that shit.

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Yeah, that’s pretty much my understanding of it. I’ve never really given it serious thought, I figure it’s just another term for a lucid dream.

How do you do it, through meditation?

Is there really a difference between AP, and LD?

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I dont really have a technique for the most part its usualy spontanous, and I dont put effort into doing them when I go to bed. Its just whenever I notice my vibration that I do it.

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In my opinion there is a big difference between the two. Some people would dissagree, and say that APing is in your head like a lucid dream, but APing has diffrent feeling to it then LDing. LIke for me it is sometimes hard to talk, or move my limbs when APing, and there is allways the vibration that comes with it. Ive decided to keep my doll. I think it just caught me off guard, because it workded so well. I dont really know why I got freaked out, but hell if its working Im deffintley going to keep it. Could someone link me to the Magick topic I cant find it. There are all kinds of techniques. You should try it its a trip.

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[community.ld4all.com/t/magick-workshop/32936/1)

Here is the link to the Magick Workshop - dont be too confronted by all of Bruno’s mumbo jumbo :spinning:P just kidding Bruno) - but there is some valuable insights here which I think you can benefit from!

Success

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I was assisted starting out with APing by Chris. He had some valuable exercises. You should seek him if you want to try it for real, and then you come back and tell me the difference. :tongue:

The trick is to learn the difference between navigating your physical body and navigating just your mental model of it—and if you can navigate it, you can bend the whole mental world that comes along too. In dreams, dissossiating from the physical body is a done deal, no effort taken. But since you don’t really have a grasp of the astral world, you can mostly just explore it in ways that mimick the physical world — at best, you’ll be given a different body and will have to abide it. Learning astral projection allows you to explore further, and allows you to do so while awake too, to boot.

What I don’t get are OOBEs, but I suppose the subject of this topic are still Area51’s voodoo dolls. :grin:

:grrr:

No worries, no offense taken. :peek:

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Is it ok to write, and make my own spells, and rituals?

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Why wouldn’t it be OK? Someone has to come up with this stuff! MAgick is only a reflection of yourself, how you choose to express it is entirely up to you. Think of it as art with a purpose. The more personal the better!

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Im so glad to hear you say that. From what I understand its about symbolism, and you can use whatever tools you need to help perform the spell. So I dont need to go out, and buy a book, and follow it with herbs, and candles, or whatever else it says I need. Thats great news to hear.

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Quoth Crowley, “every intentional act is an act of magick.”

Magic is about getting a hold of the universe a little. In an artsy manner. In the spirit of play. Experimentally, too, and often in a trial and mistake manner. it takes courage, humor and poetry.

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You combine Christianity with spells and such stuff ? That’s quite strange ,cause you see, they are almost the opposite of each other. And the part of sleeping with your doll and “charging” it with energy makes me have other thoughts about it… don’t you think you are kind of… I dunno, exaggerating a bit ? I’m just sayin’, you are taking this too far in my opinion.

Oh and the energy part, that’s quite physic. Because you fill an object with energy just by holding it in your hand. If you can’t take it up and hold it in your hand, it means you can’t fully fill it with energy as you don’t have enough. I heard this in a physics video I watched some time ago…

Good luck with it though !