I’ve always in the past controlled my dreams and actions through willpower. Recently I’ve started to just try new things that people are suggesting to do to make these things easier. I can’t honestly see them being any easier, but recently one of the things I’ve starting trying to explore is shouting commands. The results of doing this is always the same. Nothing.
So I was thinking about it and wondering why this is, and something occurred to me. By shouting commands rather than willing them myself, I was dismissing the strength of my own will and relying on the words to do the task for me. So I was wondering, could it be that shouting commands only works better for people because it’s a means of emphasizing your own thoughts and willpower for yourself? Is it not really giving the dream commands, but just strengthening your own willpower to make things happen?
In essence, shouting commands are a form of willpower. The only reason they don’t work for you is because you doubt and / or don’t believe they will work.
Like everything in the wonderful world of LD, it is based on belief. If you don’t believe something will work, your mind won’t either, and consequently you won’t be able to succeed using shout commands.
I use shout commands as I have (for some unknown reason) a stronger belief that they will work than I do for sheer willpower. HOWEVER, I do have quite a strong belief in willpower as well: just look at my sig.
In the end, you should decide which you are more comfortable using. Personally, I use both, with an end goal of achieving the ability of using only willpower. I use shouting commands more as I started using them before I believed in willpower.
In conclusion: yes, yes it does. The success between the two varies from person to person because of many, many different variables. A few are those I have mentioned: belief, and how comfortable you are with the tech. Much of what you’ve said sounds correct, at least to me.
I have no trouble at all doing anything with willpower. The shouting commands is just something i wanted to experiment with. I have believed it would work, but I’m just saying by using shouting commands I’m putting too much belief into the words, that I’m not even trying to make things happen on my own. At least that is my belief as to why it isn’t working.
I guess I’m just not saying it right… I mean to say that I have too much faith in it to work that i’m souly relying on it only, rather than just doing it myself.
I mean to say that i think shouting commands is only a supplement to your own will. Without your own will for it to strengthen, it does no good. That is what I think. So basically you can’t just rely on words to get things done, you still have to do them yourself.
Anyways, I use both willpower and shouting (also item assists). I usually shout when I am stabilizing (things such as ‘lucidity times a thousand’ or ‘vividness times a thousand’. I “have faith”, as Omnisomnia says, that it will work, and it does.
Shouting commands are not a supplement of willpower. They are a method of utilizing one’s willpower.
The reason that they don’t work for you must be you do not believe in them or the would work. And when I say believe, I mean completely, totally, utterly have Faith42 in them… (Faith reference… )
You can’t have too much faith in them as if you did, they would still work. Some part of you is saying they won’t work, whether that part be conscious or otherwise. Saying that they don’t work because you believe they are a belittlement to your willpower is another way of saying you don’t believe in them because they are not willpower itself.
When I yell out “Increase Lucidity Now!” I’m vocalizing my will. In a way, I’m making my will more tangible and concrete. Thus thought commands, at least for me, are a means of expressing my will.
Now it could be that you are asking for something when you are using a shout command. In that case, they won’t work. There’s a difference between “Increase Lucidity Now?” and “Increase Lucidity Now!” In the former you are asking for an increase in lucidity, in the later you are demanding it.
Thus, it really comes down to how you are using your shouts. If you use them with the intention that they will work, and that they are a tool through which your will shall be felt (or heard in this case), then they will work. If instead you are using it for requests, then it won’t. Your subconscious does not respond to requests usually. Saying I want to fly won’t make you. Saying I am flying will give you unbelievable results. It’s just the way the mind works.
I’m trying to explore different methods of doing things so i can actually contribute to help others. LD stuff has been no more difficult than breathing for me, so I havn’t had any obsticles to overcome which means no experience or nothing to suggest .
Focus on doing the real advanced stuff that you are already working towards, that’s what people really want anyway. Be the end goal to strive toward rather than the first step.
Challenge for you: Implant a command in your next LD that you will at a certain time of day get a pen - get a notebook - and draw a specific symbol. Then make sure to forget it after waking up.
Shouting commands makes it easier for me. I guess you’re just re-affirming it to yourself, and shouting it out loud makes you feel like you’re in more control.
I could do it by simply willing it, but when I shout it out the effect comes on much faster and stronger.
It’s a hard thing to do, and if it doesn’t make sense you’re not quite there yet. It’s taking LDs to another level in terms of what you can do. But it was just an idea I felt might be interesting, it’s the kind of thing that helped me move my natural LDs into a more empirical realm.
It’s same with me but when it comes to flying. People usually need techniques for flying and I just do. I just jump in the air and I just fly. I guess that’s the willpower and it’s not something you need to analyze or over analyze.
So I know why your shouting commands don’t work(I guess). You are doing the same things with willpower that most of us do with shouting. And in a dream shouting doesn’t mean anything to you then just shouting.
So I guess it’s what others said, it comes to the believe. You don’t have a believe in words because you know you can do the same with willpower and willpower works when words don’t.
I understand. So I think that when other people shout, it’s more needy than when I do. For me shouting doesn’t really have a purpose, and it’s that understanding that is preventing it from working.
I’m interested in this, i’m just unsure exactly what I’m supposed to do. I get confused about things like this. So I’m supposed to give a command for the dream to give me a pen later sometime in a dream or in the same dream, and when i get that pen, to get a notebook and draw something? Also confused about the forgetting part. So forget specifically the symbol I drew, but remember that I drew something? Is that just to show that I have that much more control over myself? To even make me forget something? When I first read it, i couldnt figure out what the purpose of doing this was, but I think i understand now.
This might give me more of a reason for a command to work.
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