What to focus on in WILD

Hey, i jsut have 2 short questions about WILDing

1: Can you move at all while going through the HI and what-not or does that screw it up?
i never move but i was just wondering if you could

2(this ones a little more complicated): When i start a WILD a first relax myself then i lay down and i use the counting method…but ot keep myself thinking a little more logically i always picture a pencil writing out the numbers on a peice of paper…anyways…i know when you start your supposed to focus on the counting and nothing else but once you start to get HI are you supposed to watch the HI or continue watching the pencil in your mind or count wile you watch the HI?
n e way i never figured that out and that usually where i get messed up…oh and same goes with when you body goes numb or you feel vibrations…do you focus on the vibrations or the counting?

In my WILD experimentation so far, it seems movement kills it - except at the very early stages, while HI is still “static” and not coherent blobs.

That pencil idea is cool, and I think is probably better to watch it - it’s already essentially a piece of dream imagery, right? Anyways you really just need to do anything that will keep your consciousness online. I find I’m liking singing or talking to myself in my head - I know i’m going deeper as I start to think utterly random things.

Anyways, you never want to focus on physical sensations, they are tying your consciousness to the real inputs from your body, and you want to discard them as well as you can. You need those real inputs turned off so that you can create a reality with your mind.

In fact this is what keeps messing me up in WILD as I can’t ignore the physical sensations well enough to get fully into a dream, and keep getting caught on that edge where I am paralysed and vibrating, but can’t get rid of those feelings.

You can probably move while having HI but then you’d probably become focused on your body and that might not be a good thing. I’ve actually tried moving while having a LD or maybe it was really vivid HI.I thought I’d write down what happened while it was in the LD, but it didn’t work :tongue:

I’d say it’s best to continue focusing on counting if you can while getting HI, after a while you will probably get HI where you see yourself or someone else writing the numbers you are counting :cool: Or you could focus on HI but then you are more likely to fall asleep and not get a LD. You could try focusing on counting for a few weeks and if that doesn’t work, try switching over to watching HI.

And same thing with the vibrations, you can either focus on counting or focus on the vibrations. If it’s in the morning after sleeping for a few hours you should probably focus on the vibrations since you fall asleep much faster then. If you do it when going to sleep it’s best to focus on the counting since the entire WILD process go so slow that you’d most likely mess it up somehow :sad: I’ve never been able to get past the vibrations when going to sleep at night but if it happens in the morning I almost always WILD very easy and fast :cool_laugh:

If I do it when falling asleep I usually get stuck when it starts feeling like I can’t breathe and then I can’t focus on anything else and it’s just so uncomfortable even if I know it’s supposed to happen like that :sad:

This turned out as a quite long post…

thannks for the help…i’ll definately try that tonight

I thought WILD was supposed to be the easiest way to get LD for beginners or something i haven’t been trying long as i only found out about LD a few days ago but its exciting stuff :tongue:

No doubt in my mind, the best thing to focus on, is the autopoetic noise. It’s not only have an exceptionally strong calming effect on the mind, but it’s actually a reflection of all possible states available for the brain at that moment. OBE-like states are not exceptions.

I found that these mesmerizing patterns of internal noises strickly follow and reflect the work of consciousness. Could this noise be consciosuness catched in the act of perceiving itself through the brain’s auditory cortex. But the sound current, I believe, as consciosuness too, transcend the brain.

Hey popov.

You mean the noise you hear when all around us is silent? I have had this noise almost as far as i can remember, not only when I go to sleep, but always when sounds around me lower under a certain treshold. I used to be pretty annoyed with it. Sometimes when I lay in bed listening to it, it would increase so much in volume that I just went half mad of it … but luckily I overcame this slight discomfort, however I have never used it for WILD yet. Perhaps a good suggestion!

I’m sure it is, hello Xetrov!

Yes, I mean the noise you hear in total silence. As far as I know, hearing this noise all the time is very good sign. It marks high energy levels of the CNS as long, of course, as it’s not pathological (tinnitus). This noise seems to be the aural equivalent of entopic lights, the undulating light patterns we see with closed eyes. One definately needs earplugs to fully observe this noise. Not using earplugs could be the reason why this phenomena escaped so many folks notice.

My first observation was that the noise is especially strong after interrupting sleep. It also shows up a flutter like quality that reminds me sort of an internal instability. It actually marks my increased ability for changing brain arousal at will.

Usually I use the noises to focus my mind on while I count myself into internal silence (which is this noise actually, lol). Absorbing my attention within this noise is the best way I know for getting silent. Thee noises seem to empower suggestions too if you regard a perceivable set of them as a projected part of my self which then I can communicate with. Like houndreds of radios left on at once.

I’ve also found that hypnagogic noises (music, voices, etc.) are more inklined to burst out from this noise background when they have this instability. To a certain extent I’m able to envoke hypnagogic noises by, so to speak, getting out of their way and letting them to burst out on their own.

And of course, as many of us, just before I WILD I tend to hear rusing noises. In my case they are accompained by strong pressures and pulsating noises that build upon my temples and/or the centre of my head. Someone pointed out it’s similar to vomiting and I’d said I’m very pleased with this conceit.

This is the way, too, at least for me, how paralyis should be induced, that is, by getting out of the way of pressures and lettinng them to break into my mind as strong rushing noises.

After binaural exposition the internal noises seem to be empowered too, supporting my belief that the noise generating circuits are closely associated with the arousal level regulating system. It was a quite promising news for me at that time but so far I was unable to use the noise as a stand alone trance progressor feedback signal, though I’m sure it’s possible.

Since then I read a couple of articles in the field of sleep physiology that deal with this noise. Most of my hypothesises were confirmed. For example, beside the connection with the brain’s arousal regulating system (in strong association with the homeostatic process) I mentioned above, evidences for distinct EEG subbands in the mid and high alpha are found that indicates the actual state of the circadian process. This somewhat explains why I’m able to estimate my chances for success by carefully sampling the noise before I attempt WILD.

Apparently these noises are great for inducing temporal lobe transients (TLTs), which are, according to Persinger, strongly associated with religious and OBE-like experiences. It is said too, in yogic circles, that one should concentrate only the sounds coming from the right side. This is quite congruent with the latest research in the field (angular gyrus, etc.) and the possible role of right temporal and parietal lobe structures in the OBE-genesis.

I’ve practiced anahatha yoga, well sort of. According to the yogis, the “unstruck sound” emanates directly from the Source. They distinguish 10 different type of anahatha sounds revealing themselves in a progressive manner when one use these noises as an object of concentration. Eventually leading to the the higher planes this method is preferred for astral travelling.

It is said too that the base and anahatha chakras are connected to the noise which I found to be true and consistent with my theories (base chakra as body projections of brainstem’s pacemaker neurons and anahatha chakra as projection of the thalamus responsible for sleep spindle genesis and closure of the sensory gate, detachment of the dream body). Headstands, which I’m a great fan of, works too.

Some yogis concentrate on a fist sized, oval structure in the upper rear part of the head. It’s called bindu and also mentioned as a one of the possible sound source yet I failed to confirm this. My noises come from the center of my head, however, in the later stages of relaxation I like to project and merge them with bodily vibrations to form the unified mind-body state of trance.

Well this is in nutshell I can remember at this moment. Hopefully I was not too technical but I wanted to put some strong points on the usefulness of these internal sounds.

In regards to the noise issue I know exactly what you are talking about. And reading your hypothesis also makes complete sense. I also have this noise constantly it never goes away. I hear it 24/7, even with external noise I can hear it. It used to annoy the hell out of me but I became used to it. Now the only time it has caused me problems is when I’ve tripped on mushroom, (regular psylocibin) the noise becomes so loud in my head that I have to listen to music to block it out.
My first experience though with this noise was the day I had my wisdom teeth removed. I went home and layed on my couch. Sitting there in my empty house i started to think about the noise. So i realized that if i really focused i could make it come in “waves” i imagined each time i focused on the nooise, a larger and larger wave coming and washing over my body. In 15 minutes i reach sleep paralysis. Of course this was my first time and I absolutley freaked out. I thought i was over medicated and dieing but i ended up making it through. I’ve used this same technique before to reach SP but not really sure how it works. Sometimes I have to struggle to feel the waves of noise, even if the noise is loud, and other times the waves come gently and before I know it I’m in hte vibrations and then sleep paralysis.
I also agree 100% on what you are saying about maybe it being your unconscious thoughts reaching passing your auditory cortex before being processed. Also I’m very curious if anyone else has used this autopoetic noise to induce a trance like I have, or is this rare. I’m knew to all of this but I’m finding out a lot of questions that I have wanted answered for a long time. Thx for all the help everyone!