2012 the end.

I’ve felt this way before, too.

But how can I know what happiness can be if I have never even experienced misery? The soma-addicted society of Brave New World couldn’t express normal emotion because of their limited range of known emotions, and neither could I should such issues never have existed. In the meantime, the battle against the brutality of others shall rage on, far beyond 2012…

As for theories in regards to doomsday nuclear bunkers, I’d have to say that, first of all, most of them are scientific seed banks, planned as a result of the massive reductions in ecological diversity on this planet thanks to humanity’s impact on the environment rather than government fears as to an apocalypse.

I truly believe there’s nothing to fear. In the meantime, though, every single event that’ll be occurring during 2012 will become a potential humanity-ending problem in the eyes of the public. It shall be quite amusing, I’m sure… (thinks about y2k… :happy: )

Im not completely sure, I dremed about the doomsday 6 years ago. Im not the one to say that the doomsday is true, but if it is TRUE, its Autumn 2008 or 2009, its what I know from what i saw. However, I hope there is a way to stop it :smile:

LOL. How could 2012 be the end if 6.6.2006 was’nt? :tongue:
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Please be respectful towards other cultures and beliefs!

I believe the only way something catastrophic would happen would be when the date rolls around, then the idiots start rioting, but that will be quickly quelled, eh?

Imagines lots of people running around like idiots as dawn breaks with a nice blue sky

Bah… the world won’t get destroyed for another few billion years… (Unless it get’s destroyed by pollution, intead of the sun swallowing earth up…)
Besides… I’m to young to die! :cry:
The world won’t end, it will be a new beginning…

Feh, it could happen. I’ve always felt like the world would end in my lifetime. But then again, so have a whole lot of other people :tongue: (check out a book called The Pocket Guide to the Apocalypse for some good laughs).

I’m not 100% sure about 2012 but it just makes so much sense to me for some reason that it will be a signifacant year…very. While browsing a bit more I fond info of the hopi indians…they to had a prophecy about the something going on to…

The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.

“This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes – the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies.”

“This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes – the coming of the white men’s cattle.”

“This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron.”

“This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider’s web.”

“This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun.”

“This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it.”

"This is the Eight Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease

Doing a little research I found this…

Holiday in orbit: Galactic Suite space resort opening 2012

The Galactic Suitegalactic suite Project, run by directors Xavier Claramunt and Marsal Gifra, aims to offer travellers the “most thrilling and transcendent experience ever” with a stay on board their orbital luxury getaway. Upon arrival at the first ever (in our solar sensationshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensation including weightlessness, star gazing, amazing views of planet Earth with 15 sunsets in a day - not to mention being aboard a spaceship that takes you from 0 to 28,000kmh in 10 minutes

what I know is occurring is that people under 25 are opening their psychic gifts
and the young children right now will be even more powerful

these people in the 20s, they all are highly seeking spiritual consciousness and speaking a unified language, and exploring the wacky ideas of the internet

they are a tremendous minority, most of their peers aslumber, however it only takes a certain # of souls radiating a certain vibration to change the vibration of the planet. it is like tuning forks, all humans transmit and carry energy, to and from an-other,

this kind of momentum hasn’t happened since the sixties, yet, this is a SMOOTH momentum, organized by a collective intelligence which manifests on internet

now

what these awake ones want, is radical transfiguration of society into holistic well-being for all, equality, freedom, emotion, art, transformation,

revolution but not in the way you would think, revolution of the chakras, balancing of spirituality, awakening of the minds, nothing political at all

now .

ultimately it doesn’t help us to believe anything at all about 2012, it is only useful for us to learn how to pursue our bliss and happiness, joy and creativity
and to be aligned with that makes sure we are on the right track.

That’s actually very scary, though, what’s your source?

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not only is fear the dark-side
fear convinces you to not listen to love, that love is ultimate deception, and that fear is the truth

there are people that do not want us to attain spiritual freedom, and so they call messengers of light the devil,

Just search Hopi Indians Prophecy in google, plenty of info…and since the last sign was “You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease” I searched Space/2012 and that is what came up…kind of scary.

Thats why this happens, I saw this fate years ago, I assumed it would happen this year, and it is the humanitys fault, yet is there a way to be saved if you are one with overhuman abilities :tongue:

Yes and on the first day of 2013 I will be like “hahahahhah. Told ya!” :happy:

First contact with the Galactic Federation is to happen Oct 14
if especially, everyone who wants it asks for it and focuses for it.
youtube.com/watch?v=lnEi7BgO5uE

The galactic Federation, as in Scientology? I don’t know about that Eyelids, sorry.

Uhhh…ok…

I saw in the newspaper once:

The end-2009 or 2013?

The book of revelation states that Jesus will save us.

Newton,besides physics,he tried decoding the date of the apocalypse.
Before dying,he left a number on a peice of paper:2060

Signs of the end are everywhere…
You better not have these issues in mind,otherwise you might get distracted…
Just live your lives and hope noting will happen… :smile:

It’s like a wolfgame:P
Nobody but God knows what will happen tommorrow

Ok I was reading some more…Another Hopi prophecy warns that nothing should be brought back from the Moon – obviously anticipating the Apollo 11 mission that returned with samples of lunar basalt. It this was done, the Hopi warned, the balance of natural and universal laws and forces would be disturbed, resulting in earthquakes, severe changes in weather patterns, and social unrest. All these things are happening today, though of course not necessarily because of Moon rocks.

I was reading diffrent things that can happen on 2012 and one thing that ususally devastate human population is plauge/diasese…well im a wikipedia hopper and I ended up reading about mars…and they talk about the mars curse…where it’s like a warning because most missions fail to get to mars…well a stumbled onto this…

Phobos-Grunt

Orbiter, lander, sample return

Will attempt to bring samples of Phobos’ soil back to Earth on 2012

Another thing I was reading was bringing uknown diseases to a new place…like I dunno planet earth!

Most people know the whole 2012 thing came from the Aztec calendar ending at 2012. Well, the end of the calendar wasn’t meant to be the end of the world, just the end of an age in Earth’s history. There was predicted to be some major event, that would be considered the dawn of a new age, such as the renaissance ended the dark ages. Personally I think the whole thing is going to amount to about as much as the new millennium did. Huge reputation, nothing actually happens.

at the risk of posting again in this topic — come on people, do you really need the world to end, in order to have any reason whatsoever to embrace life? go read Nietzsche, the bunch of you! — i must beg to differ. and at the same time, i hope to elucidate a couple of concepts here.

first, the maya calendar was mindblowingly accurate. for starters, they predicted the dawn of men — and the dawn of men is somewhere in the middle of the evolutionary segment between the homo faber and the homo sapiens. it sure is a huge span of time, but they point somewhere in the middle of it and hey — if they’re guessing, they’re the only civilisation to ever guess it right. science nowadays posits the exact same thing: after men discovered crafts and started fabricating tools (homo faber), a process of sexual distinction lead them to form the first hordes. something of a rudimentary notion of power emerged, and in order to acquire more power, hordes had to spread and consolidate themselves, at which point the notion of incest emerges — culminating in the institution of family, which is for many the first step into culture, or, in other words, the birth of the homo sociologicus, the first human hominid. it’s at that segment that the maya pointed the birth of men — unlike all other civilisations before the rise of our scientific western-european civilisation.

they were also jaw-droppingly accurate astronomers, predicting eclipses that would only happen hundreds of years after the end of their own civilisation, with day-precision. need more? they could predict the end of their civilisation (which disbanded into tribes and hordes and nuclear families the very year they had predicted) — historians nowadays debate the possibility that their civilisation came to an end the very year they had predicted due to a drough. and oh, at some point after the end of their civilisation, they predicted the “white gods” would arrive — and guess which band of lunatic europeans discovered the Americas that very year?

still not impressed? well, lets also say that the portion of their calendar which we call the Long Count, the portion that’s ending in 21 dec 2012, actually starts quite some time after the dawn of men, at the 32nd century BC, which is a weird century in that all over the world, civilisations started popping around. minoan Crete is born here, so is the first dynasty of ancient Egypt, following the death of king Scorpion by Narmer. but what’s really mindblowing is that the Long Count is not the only epoch that starts in the 32nd century BC: kali yuga, the “age of vice” in many hindu and buddhist calendars, starts in that very century.

what’s more: the maya tzolkin and the hindu kali yuga also come to an end at around the same time. the calculations are disputed. some say it ended in 1889. others estimate it to end at some point in the 2060s. and there’s a third calculation which marks the end of kali yuga at — you’ve guessed it — 2012. so there you have it: two calendars from two ancient civilisations way isolated in time and space, matching beginning and end of a certain era, known to one as the “human era” and to the other as the “age of vices”. say the least, that’s quite a backbreaking coincidence.

but! to neither peoples this was marked as “the” end of “the world”. it was the end of humanity (or humanity as we know it, anyway). the maya calendar had periods that stretched far beyond the long count, and they were used occasionally for even more predictions of all kinds — astronomical and socio-political. as for the hindu and buddhist calendars, they posit that with the end of kali yuga comes dvapara yuga, an age of meditation and enlightenment.

look, i find these coincidences tremendous, but that doesn’t hold me from making plans beyond december 21st 2012. i really don’t plan my life around this kind of date, and it’s not even a matter of believing or disbelieving, it’s plainly a matter of — if humanity is inexorably coming to a turnpoint at that date, it doesn’t matter whether or not i take it into account, it will change in spite of my best effort on the contrary. so why bother? but no, personally, i don’t even believe this bunch of facts is enough for me to suddenly grow a newfound trust in humanity and a hope for better days to humankind.

you can believe whatever you want to believe, but always bear in mind: it’s not the end of humanity as a whole, but rather the end of humanity as we know it. more importantly, it’s not the end of the world. and it’s processual. whatever’s going to culminate in 2012 should be building up right now — if something really is going to happen, we should be able to see it taking shape right now. setting aside the fact that we live in what’s downright the most boring epoch in the history of humankind ever since feudalism, i think i can actually see a couple of candidates for that. if i were to make a safe, conservative bet, i’d turn my eyes to the holy lands of Jerusalem and Europe, and to the respective cruzades to take over each of them. there’s a tension building up in a silent fashion in the geopolitical sphere — if it’s not released soon enough, it just might become a massive earthquake in civilisation.

Very interesting Bruno.

The word apocalypse doesn’t mean destruction, or death, it means revealing and uncovering.

We will go threw a transformation of our concious minds. Change.
Everything will be revealed.