Meditation within LD:
I have done it a few times but I always want superficial things… the one time I did it seriously was, I think, from within paralysis… I wanted to stay in paralysis all night… what happened was I did various “things” with my “chakras” and I would see various visions with them…
(i was not attempting a sort of “no mind” meditation, more of a “i want cool stuff to happen now!” meditation)
anyway… I did not want to enter lucid dream… unfortunately, i would eventually feel myself drifting, and I’d be in another body, within a lucid dream… at first it caught me off guard, I went with the plot for a while, if I do recall, i was in some sort of playhouse like discovery zone type thing… I remember gaining hold of lucidity again and I’m not sure what I did with it.
anyway… accessing the astral from the dream world… I don’t know about that, last night I adamantly asked (and commanded) to go to the RTZ (real time zone / physical plane) over and over again, it failed miserably and I wandered into a house, willed a woman into a shower, and had sex with her. I also once tried the “i am entering the physical plane” self hypnosis meditatoin in a dream and it didn’t work either…
Prior to that I was in a low level stupid lucidity state and tried to AP within a dream (not knowing it was a dream) I got tunnel like results but they felt, to me, very disappointing, very cheesy and fake… that dwarf from LOTR gave me an axe, there were “bad things” in the tunnels, and I wanted to explore but I was afraid I’d run into spiders…
everything seemed totally 100% played out by my unconscious and my expectations… for example as I drifted off I thought “I’m going into ‘the void’” and I did… it was white this time, it felt weird, it lasted 3 seconds, it wasn’t a holy or eternal feeling like being in the white void is supposed to be… it was “cool…” feeling…
the tunnels were cloudy… they randomly lead to me playing tunnel like video games…stuff just sucked… I then “OBEd” into my grandmas house (not questiong WHY MY ENTIRE FAMILY WAS THERE) and spoke through the television, to get my families attention, I then went into the television, which felt all electircal and weird, and the characters were all around me, and didn’t stay too long (oddly enough the way this felt electrical and the way my body felt, this may have possibly been an entry to the “astral” or something, who knows)
at any rate… it all sucked, I woke up angry at the time I had wasted in pointless and largely UN FUN activities (aside from the sex which was okay) I could have done much better and more fun things.
That’s low level lucidity for you I guess.
Right now I believe you CANNOT OBE or AP from REM sleep… I think the brainwaves need to be in a different state, but that you can certainly (and in my case sometimes accidentally) enter that state FROM REM…
Oh yeah and I opened my throat chakra whiel trying to pseudo-AP from within a dream, it sure felt open, but nothing notable happened.
Maybe it’s all in the analytical mindset I have, but I don’t know, the best experiences I’ve had had this “real” feel to them, even if they had stupid nonsensical dream content… maybe because they took me by surprise… being analytical and scientific about this kind of stuff really does kill the wonder in it…
I bet if I were raised in a tribe or something I’d be thrilled with these experiences, rather than nitpicky, but I can fairly safely say most of them probably aren’t real… and like… I don’t know…
I did have a fun pointless LD with my friends at school briefly today too, which I was satisfied with… I’m not sure I thought they were real though I was in a child like goofing off mindset, so it didn’t matter.
now then… this experience, this happened a while ago… and it was interesting… especially the electricity… this tunnel like place is weird…
Jun 1.
[color=orange]I wake up at 5 a.m. and waste hours in beds not sleeping… so eventually I decide to try and WILD… well, what I did was I counted from 50 to 1 then 40 to 1 then 30 to 1 and so on… after that I was close enough to be able to pick up on sounds, conversations, etc, so I used them to my advantage to get in/out of light sleep a few times, then I told myself to “let go”
well, I dont’ know how I did, but I did… so I have this dream that I’m at wal-mart, I’m looking at toys, my friend Sam picks one up and says “yeah, this is the one with the metallica ring, you need to buy it, there are only 700 left…” and then I was confused and didn’t understand… I “woke up” partially and that’s when I got “conscious” and saw myself in front of dream scenes.
So what would happen is when a dream scene appeared, I’d feel myself involuntarily walk into it, then I’d try and stabilize it… what happened was I was at this store with these checkered floors and I felt really weird and drugged… I flipped my feet out from under me and hit the ground lying on my back (which was a forceful fall and “hurt”) and then I tried to stabilize things, BUT I “felt” myself in my BED lying on my back, so I was like oh no I’d better roll over so I don’t wake up, so I rolled over to my stomach and stared at the floor… then I started floating, sliding, etc, I kept shifting so that I was NOT staring at the floor, my vision went out, I knew I was waking up… I thought there was nothing to do but I startd moving my hands, hoping they were in the dream, they were…
The dream came partially back, then I faded out into awakeness… but I could still see the floor… so… it was like, hidden under the normal eyelid look but it was still there somehow, semi transparent, yet permanent, I made it slide back and forth but couldn’t get to it and eventually it was gone.
I induced sleep again, and again came to to find myself in front of dream scenes, I was out by a traffic light I think… then… I noticed I could see my room up in the very top of my left eye, and I focused upon that and pushed it to center and entered… I was in my brothers upstairs room, and it LOOKED REAL… I was very confused and unsure if it WAS real or not, but my body (i think) it was like, screwed up, it was wavery and “ghosty” and it felt like it was sort of fallen apart and disorganized, I couldn’t really move…
I woke up…
I did this stuff again, and was in the hallway, I felt my nose suddenly clog up and I could not breathe, I partially woke up enough to open my mouth to breathe and then was back, and I went down the stairs, crawling, using the rails to drag me forward, walking was hard, I felt drugged, I opened the door, went out, closed it (thinking I might be in the physical) and…
I was outside… I woke up… I decided maybe these are NREM dreams and are meant to be remote viewing like, not interactive, so I saw my house in my left eye again and focused upon it, at first everything was 2D, but then it turned 3D, and I was in it, while simultaneously NOT in it… I floatd around, and I saw the neighbors house, I wanted to float inside but could not go through the door, then someone opened it up… I went in and this little girl grabebd my arm, and the dad was like “oh, they were wrong about this place, it’s not haunted by that grandpa” and I was like “how can they see me?” and she was like “you are a ghost” (somehow I doubt this REALLY happened)
I left… and I was having hard times re-entering things, I found myself flying way way way up, then falling down, and I used this to enduce stability and get back to the dream…
One of the times while outside I could see this really trippy alex grey like thing transposed upon my normal vision, like, these really small colrful eyes on the left and right side (symmetrical) and then on the tops and bottoms these golden and I think blue colored swirl things…
I knew that I needed to fall to go deeper to stabilize a lucid dream… and I remember once somewhere along the course of the way I did deep breathing which brought me into paralysis, I could feel myself paralyzing more while dreaming…
at any rate, somehow I was on a log ride, and I was directing how it worked, I made myself go down drops to go deeper into a trance, but let me tell you this was horribly scary this log ride… it felt… bad… it was out of control, I like rides, but I was afraid to make it drop, but i knew that I needed to to make myself go deeper… so I dropped a small drop, went around a circle, dropped a bigger drop, went around a circle and came upon a tunnel (i was thinking of the cool tunnel drop in splash mountain) at this point the rapids got insanely violent and fast, and I was about to go into absolute blackness… I tried to make myself drop but I couldn’t really will myself to do it…
at any rate, I found myself in limbo between dream and waking worlds again, and I felt myself “flying” very fast… I started to voluntarily direct this motion, backwards I think, and I ended up rushing through this tunnel
it was a dark tunnel, the walls had dark grey splotches on them, as I picked up speed I saw Bush’s Golden State album randomly placed along the walls, and I wanted to enter it but couldn’t really control myself anymore (i may have been thinking about album walpapers in the Sims before I fell asleep, or that may have been after I woke up) at any rate… I remembered the purple tunnel I was in and thought of green, the tunnel turned green, then I thought of blue, the tunnel turned blue… then I thought of purple, etc…
but the tunnel WANTED to be white or dark grey… I started drawing energy into my chakras, which somewhat influenced how the tunnel looked… I drew energy into the crown chakra and I entered this circular whiteish room (made of the tunnel walls) and in the middle was what I could only imagine to represent my brain… it was in this tube and there was this atom looking thing in it, and energy was running up and down it… I involuntarily slammed into it and ZAP I felt this huge electric painful surge in my head and my thigh started twitching really strongly…
I didn’t want to pursue that and I focused on my third eye… I began to see this tear drop thing appear in front of me, and it looked like it was starting to open, there were these little “tear” looking swirly things around it, and I was getting a bit nervous, as I wasn’t sure what it was like to open my third eye… I wasn’t sure if I was ready.
Then I woke up.
As amazing as this all might sound I felt rather indifferent and whatnot while experiencing it… when I woke up my head felt funny, like it sometimes does if I stay in a lucid dream too long… not a particularly good feeling… not a bad one either… I tried to WILD again but wasn’t motivated enough, so when I finally got up, it just happened to be 11:11
I look forward to experimenting with this stuff more, even though it’s absolutely insane, mainly the split body sensations of druggings and paralysis while trying to move and stay inside dream…
I guess maybe I wasn’t in REM but rather NREM or something… if I had played with hypnagogics while staying detached from them but letting them do their thing, I probably would have eventually had a stable LD.
this was more interesting than any LD though. [/color]
knowing how absent minded I am I have already posted that one in here before, lets see.
… Once you are lucid, stop going with the flow and try to be as lucid as possible. Then either sit down, or lay down, and relax, and imagine yourself sinking away deeper into consciousness. You really have to focus on that thought. Each time I did this, it starts with a falling sensation, falling downwards, which is a metaphor of going deeper into deep sleep. You dont see anything, just feel like falling down. At a certain moment, you either stop it, or it stops by itself. I have not gone so deep as to approach NDE, but I imagine it would be possible to reach this (so be careful, its also the way Jeff induced his NDE’s).
