i safed your post from the originally split advanced topic where you replyed on my post there. 
Jeff wrote:
In a non rem sleep lucid dream i never have total control but the advantage here is that you dont wake up easely so i can be lucid here for a long time.
PasQuale asks:
woah, you can dream in NREM? I always thought that wasn’t possible? How, what where, when?
Jeff answers:
Stephen Laberge write about it in his books…when they at Stanford sleep research woke ppl up from their sleep when they where in non rem sleep
many ppl good remember they were dreaming.
It was the first thing i experimented with when I thought lucid dreams are great to explore the regions of dreaming and sleep.
I dreamed in colour but also had dreams in black and white simply said b&w.
I focussed at my third eye to wake up fast from any dream…but i noticed that from colour dreams (rem sleep) i woke up within one second never longer then that…so realy easy. From a B&W dream it was at shortest always 4 seconds…so I conlcuded that those were in a different sleep stage…non rem…after reading stephen lagerbe comment that they found out ppl also dream in non rem sleep i assumed that was it.
Then i bought a EEG machine and indeed it showed that every time i woke my self up from those B&W dreams i had been in non rem sleep and not in rem. The deeper you go into sleep the less colour you have…at deep sleep your visual cortex is even totally of line and all visuals are lost here.
Quote jeff:
- Deep sleep , passive layer(delta waves sometimes a bit theta and then you dream even here) I call it the great black void.
Pasquale asks:
Is that when you sometimes ‘wake up’ from a LD or have a OBE and then only see all black around you? I have had when i did some kind of WILD’ish OBE, and then i ended up in a black void. Black everywhere, like floating in a big black universe. I have had that several times. Was very scary in the beginning, later i learned to fly towards new things or create the place i wanted to go to.
Jeff answers:
Could be, you have two black voids…
The big black void or deep sleep has one unique thing instead of the small void witch is a inbetween layer between waking and dreaming…and that is that when you want to wake up you always go up to less deep sleep layers and go through dream stage again although that can be seconds only…while in the small void if you go upwards in consciousness you wake up right away and never see any dream because for that you would first have to into a deeper sleep stage again.
Also in the small void you can see visuals hypnogogics also in the deep sleep black void that aint so because your visual cortex is of line.
But probably while obeing one time or another you have been in both.
Quote Jeff:
5 Near death experience, active layer again, no or almost no delta waves…no brain waves at all, still full consciousnes and second body of pure light)
PasQuale asks:
How do you incubate a NDE? How do you know it is NDE? It sounds like you have NDE’s like others have OBE’s or is this theory? Or have you experienced it?
Jeff answers:
How i incubate a NDe mm the first time it was a selfhypnosis accident…
I had already learned my self that if i lay in a ld on bed or at the ground or couch i could desolve my dream body by letting it faal a sleep the same way like i do a wild with my real body in real life…
So when you wild in your lucid dreams the way i do a normal wild your dream body falls a sleep and desolves your real body also falls then in deep sleep and you also. You reach then the big black void or deep sleep!
But one time i was laying in my lucid dream and practising wild (funny isnt it wild practising in a lucid dream lol) ,my way to do wild is a mix from self hypnosis zen meditation and chakra breathing and focussing…i call it trance meditation…its much alike the classic yogi does it.
Well that one time i started with letting my left dream hand fall a sleep and i fell the nerves from my hand all the way in my brain…then i get a blitz idea…why not give my self the hypnotic suggestion (i was already under hypnosis) to let totally go of my whole brain…i did and what happend i call blitz NDE/OBE because it struck me like lightining so fast. I went down in deep sleep and through it in a second and reached the part where ppl talk about when they have nde in hospital…
in one sec through the deep black void i felt my body fallen a sleep like hell so strong and suddenly it was like a 10.000 watt bright neon lights were shining at my face and i had a second body of pure light there was nothing around me then bright neon white light…i heared an enormous buzzzzzz and it gelt my lungs where pulling out of my chest…the i saw a tunnel of white light and on the ohter side a world of beautiful nature and it radiated a warmth and love at me that i only had felt before…there my instinct was ringing like hell that if i would go a bit further i would loose control so i listend to my instinct as always ans started to focussing at my plexus solaris to stabelize that incredebile beyond deep sleep stage.
I couldnt control it from my head anymore…didnt work…from pure thougtless feeling from the plexus it took me half a minute to stabelize it and slowly went up to the deep sleep stagwe again and focussed at waking myself…i woke up from sleep and rushed to my pc next to my bed
and it showed i had been in a NDE below deep sleep almost no hz there a minute before i woke up…also it showed that i had come from a non rem stage to deep sleep to that sort of no hz (close to shutdown) NDE stage stayed there shortly and then moved up to deep sleep region again throug non rem sleep to wards waking and woke up…just as i had experienced it…
Was amazing…i still am working on it…my control gets better and so i can now move into the tunnel without loosing control. And weird enough you see a world at the other end of it.
Iam thinking of that to buy again a EEG machine of even better quality.
My head is already shaved again so conducting is easy
Dm7 if you ever read this or Pilot…letting go of the brain…giving yourself the suggestion under hypnosis in a lucid dream to let the brain go is the blitz nde/obe tech!
But be carefull its powerfull very powerfull if you succeed.
Greetz and happy dreams 
Jeff
I’ll go to that soon about my post for Q and Ureon. 
