I was thinking about this for a while. Are ghosts people who have had their connection or chord cut from their physical body and stuck on the earth plane? Like are they in a permanent OBE and depending on the amount of energy they have or the will to live, they can contact the living through poltergeist activity?
the chord isn’t cut unless you die, it can’t happen just by having a random OBE.
some of them are those who have killed themselves and found out that they were supposed to be alive X more years,
referred to as earth-bounds. so they cannot go to astral yet.
think that’s what I heard.
everyone that “dies” spends some time in the physical world with etheric body.
What I meant is after the chord is cut from dying
I don’t think i’ve ever heard about it like they in perminate OBE, most spirts have moved on and just come back in visitation. Some are around a lot more (active) but they know there dead, they just don’t want to accept it. I’ve had the feeling described to me once as being human, but not being seen. They felt like they were whole and not looking down on themselves (as you do in a OBE) but like they death never happened.
Just my two cents worth.
Rosie x
well its a good question
i wonder if you can hang around second physical for as long as you want, or if you naturally float into subtler realms until you take another birth.
some ghosts might be energy memories, some might be real people there who have just died and are exploring, some might be people having OBEs consciously or not
i have a memory from when i was in “bardo” as you could say, did not yet take a new birth, i could fly around very fast looking at the whole world and it was really neat… it felt very natural.
A true ghost or gui is a spirit who’s physical body has died. Therefore it would not be considered an OBE. Most true gui or disincarnate souls that where human still hanging around the Earth plane did not leave because their Po(sometimes called the seven demon natures, this spiritual energy manifests as the physical or material soul i.e. food, sex, survival) or corporeal soul (was over-riding their ethereal soul or Hun (This is the ethereal part of the soul which ascends into heaven after death)and still attached to things of the material world.
First of all, you can’t be sure that ‘ghosts’ exists. Personally i think that it is very unlikely, but i’m not going to say that they don’t exist either. I simply don’t know.
From the OBE i had, i can tell you that there is no way for you to affect the world around you. You can’t touch or feel anything. Try bumping into something and you go right through it.
But hey, anybody volunteering to have an OBE and try staying out of their body for a week or two, and see what happens?
You just have not had the training.
Ones ignorance to something does not disprove it. One can be trained to see, hear and have other experiences with spirits. You can also affect matter during an OBE with the right kind of training.
By the way there are documented cases of several yogis who were buried and bodies supervised by western scientists for several weeks. They were then dug up and their pulse, breath and brain waves returned to normal and they went on living. During this they were projecting. I am not sure where to find the research but you can if you care to do so.
There are many things of Heaven and Earth Horatio.
the famous magician of old times did the same, through breathing techniques stayed buried for a long time
the magician whose name little kids are likely to know about, and I can’t recall it right now
from the 20s, or the 40s ?
Don’t all spirits move to astral whether they want to or not after spending time in etheric ?
Jusy my input - I know ghosts exist, ive done something called table tipping were spirits move an object [a table in this case] and move in clock wise for yes or anti clockwise for no. And i was there holding on to the table which may i add was extremely heavy, i see no way in which anything other than a spirit could of manipulated the tables movement. But if you do, please feel free to tell me. I did this in an old chapel.
I dont think ghosts are people in OBE’s. These people are dead.
can you describe how you table tipped ?
remember that ghosts are just people
we want to talk to angelic beings if we need information,
or Heavenly Father, God, Mother,
an avatar such as Babaji, or any other deities, arch-angels,
or our Higher-Self, Jesus, etc.
talking to a ghost, hm, what do they know anyway?
No, ghosts are DEAD people, and since the body is disabled forever they are NOT OBE, cause OBE is when you are dependant of your body, however I can no method to OBE myself please tell how to do it.
And thats it
Yes I am agreeing with you,
I said ghosts are people
I said this to show : they are not necessarily wise
benevolent,
or helpful,
and the information they give can be biased, right ?
If you want to know about crystals, you don’t ask an air-traffic controller… usually.
OBE ? The only way I can OBE is to go to sleep and do the various LD techniques,
a true OBE you have to balance your spirit through things like yoga or martial arts or meditation, so you can OBE whenever u want to.
Well, me and about 6 other people placed our hands on a table, and first we asked if any spirits were in the room, and if there were to move the table. It moved. A considerable amount. We moved with it.
We told it to move the table round fora yes, and to leave it for a no. We asked it if it was male or female, if it used to frequent the church, how old it was, if it was ever abused. I asked the ‘were you ever abused’ question, the table turned.
And the table moves what, half a circle each time, and quite fast. I see no way this could of been anything else other than a spirit.
I agree with Eyelids. Just to clarify not all in fact most spirits are not the spirit bodies of dead humans. There are many overlying dimensions swimming in spirit entities.
If you are going to work with spirits you need really good training or you do not know who or what you are dealing with. There are some quite potent and unfriendly entities out there. It is not silly stuff to play around.
I think ghosts are just souls that have physically died and have something they cant let go or need to take care of so they are stuck in the first astral plane, which is the one a person experiences the second they are released from their body. I think this plane is very much like the dream world where things can shift and change, anything can happen, and everything seems epic, but very real. Still these souls have a connection with the physical plane. Maybe ghosts are just souls who never believed in an afterlife so they’re lost and won’t go anywhere unitll they realize they can move on to greater things.
When every person “dies”, his consciousness shifts to his etheric body (some people go straight to the astral). After some time in his etheric body, that person wont have any energy left to feed this body in order to stay in the etheric plane and will therefore move on to the astral planes. Ghosts are people who for various reasons want to stay on earth, some might not be able to disconnect from the physical pleasures such as food, sex etc. (although they can be obtained in the astral planes if wanted), some might want to stay close to their loved ones, some might simply not realize they have passed away, while some like very religious, dogmatic people, wait for something to happen. In any case, understanding the nature of the universe and the fact that once in the astral planes, a person can enjoy whatever he pleases and also stay in touch with his loved ones will ultimately lead that soul to travel to the astrals. ghosts feed of the energy of all around them in order to stay in the etheric plane.
hope ive been helpfull