Dabbling with demons

Yeah.Especially when people say god existed forever.It’s just strange if you think of it.

I always introduce myself as an atheist, but I’m not really sure.But if god really exists, I don’t think it would be a christian god.You just believe in THAT god cause they taught you that way.And I don’t like that christian god, I told you why in my post.Everyone says he is mercyfull, when he clearly isn’t.I rather think of the god(when I think of him) as a peaceful deity.

And lol that Richard Dawkins quote was pretty funny :tongue:

And yeah, Carnun wonders why I said I don’t want to argue about this, but I still do.That’s because I have experience with talking about religion on forums.It always turns bad.People start insulting each other.But this forum is incredible.That’s why I like it so much.Every guy from this forum is good and rational :wink:

:happy:

Well, if you want to look into it, most of the stuff in the Bible is a crazy all-consuming blend of all things mystical and otherwise spiritual from the great many peoples the Jews came in contact with. Old Arab philosophy, by means of the weirdest logical device I ever studied, held for centuries before the historical Jesus was born that the salvation of humankind was to be granted by the sacrifice of the son of god, and that the son of god had, to be the son of god, to be god himself and the son of a virgin mother. At the time of his birth, I don’t know how popular the idea was around Palestine and Jordan, where he allegedly lived, but as for Ancient Greece, there were great a many schools of mysteries full of people looking around, searching for the son of a virgin mother who had to be the son of god, our saviour. Go figure.

Your not a lunatic, you have a very good point, and I havnt never thought of it like that. The whole bulling by demons. Have you ever seen the thing on youtube about the real Emily Rose who was possesed by demons. I felt sorry for this girl. So your topic brings me to the question just what the hell is God doing to us?

some people have been into actual black arts, not what people will say is evil like meditation but, really working with negativity :
and they can be troubled and vexed in further lifetimes,

as far as i have seen anyway i met a girl who seemed to pull split personalities in her sleep

Dr. Mitchell Gibson seems to confirm this in his talks on the matters,

also I realized that the focus is all wrong, jesus was just a messenger, he wants you to worship not him, nor the idol that he has become,
but God,

and a demon is anything that wastes time and effort and is selfish and refuses to listen, its ego play ,

being irritated and taking anger out on someone however so slight, is also a demon,
people in the west are usually vexed with stress from the strange rituals broken society makes them do,
wives tales are a good example of the transmission of a demon of useless fret, anxiety, fear,

demons are thought-forms that circle and have no logical sense and crumble in the face of clarity
if someone is under possession they speak thus :
“i don’t know”
for instance :
*fret fret, fret… i don’t know, fret , fret, maybe , but, fret , fret , fret "

they do not know, for the sum of their programming lies in tail chasing, and it is tangled

they also may accuse you of being what they are,

and its better to call them programs , they are authored through dissonance,

for instance knowing completely what one wishes to speak about, but being possessed, literally, by doubt and fidgeting and downplaying it and stumbling and bumbling and saying “i don’t know, maybe”
this is just one of them, i forgot the one i most recently discovered ,
something about us learning to give our power away at an early age and so the general disposition of the trends of our thinking and speaking is seeking approval from imaginary entities that could punish us
the fear of god has been replaced by stop signs and speed limits

here is a malicious iteration :
“i was sleeping”
“you don’t look like you were sleeping”
this is rude and completely wrong on all levels, to speak to someone that way ,
to trespass in their reality and interrupt their peace, and them call them a liar,
it is called sarcasm, and in this case it is absolutely forbidden and wrathful in its deployment,
be it subtle or huge, it can be a fierce monster, and seeks to cause pain in order to elevate the ego

when i write this : its really quite junk, because rather than focus in on these like a laser, it is best to go deep inside and sympathize and forgive and turn the other cheek upon this, not reacting to it at all, so that the person can see that somehow they have trespassed against you and worked towards iniquity, and then they are clean,

they also work to make you doubt yourself, for when you speak truth they make you do useless actions and question you

, i just had this happen to me ,

posession is very subtle :

essentially :
i know for certain no phone is in my room,
i am told that it IS here and have a tangle of dream thoughts and delusions explaining to me that i am wrong and have no idea what i am talking about
they’re jerks!

Emily Rose? Was that a movie that had a little girl in it who’s arm was underdeveloped? That same movie I remember had a demon possessed mansion where that girl lived… now I’m just confusing my self.
Wait, I’ll see if I can find it.

My, oh my.

Is this what you meant. Or was it the movie based on this girl.
First I didn’t understand what language she was speaking in this video, but later it was definitely German… yup, it’s definitely German. She curses a lot. Did someone catch what she said at the end, the part where she said “ganz Deutschland”. Ooh, and there’s a priest chanting about God and Maria removed smilie.

I don’t know, this whole possession thing is pretty strange :hmmm:. There was another video that said that she also had stigmata and she died to make our sins go away… being the slightly paranoid conspiracy theorist that I am, I suspect that the church just used her insanity in an attempt to stage a “miracle”. I bet they gave her the stigmata! I especially believe that because apparently her parents and the priests involved were sentenced to prison.
Say, someone found out about what they were doing to that girl and went to the police. For some reason they didn’t make this public and just locked everyone away.

I’ll see if I can’t find the movie later, now I’m curious.

Here real name wasnt Emly Rose it was something else, but yes that was the girl the movie was based on.

ya i think that too. but in a slightly diff way. i consider him all powerful and such. but i kinda see him like this.
if i were a god. perfect in everyday. and powerful. i think i would see him as myself.
but yet. he is not me he is him idk hard to explain.

and also concerning the watchmen allusion. im talking about zack snyders watchmen not alan moores.

oh ya and i also think the Good and the bad concept of choices is the wrong way to think of things. there is no good and bad.
there is just choices that grow your spirituality/mind/whatever and choices that dont.

…think from your view point and not the worlds…

That is interesting. So basically, if you look for it you will find it no matter what! Basic Human Psychology… you want to believe you will see what you want in everything you look at.

1wthWings- Yeah, I feel the same way!
I always imagine god behave like me.That’s cause I would be that way if I were the god.Just like you said.

And about that good and bad concept- I feel the same way too.Cause, you know I’m an atheist, so if there is no god, how can we know what is right and what is wrong?So, there is no good and bad(right or wrong) in general, only how you feel about it.Only what you think is right and wrong.

Well… it really depends how deep you want to go. You might think its ok to strangle puppies with your bare hands… but society might have a different view. Based on their view their will be consequences for your puppy strangling habit (if you are caught!)

Who is right? Who is wrong? Big debate! But how do you know what is right and wrong? Best to live by the laws of the country/state you live in. If you decide to break them then be prepared to suffer the consequences imposed by the country/state. If you don’t like them… then move somewhere else (or have a good lawyer that can argue that the law is infact not quite right) and then laws change. Make your votes count when it comes time to elect those people who we democratically decide to look after us! :rofl:

Its not really that complicated.

Come on!Why to believe laws of countries?Especially if you are here in Croatia.Laws suck here.And go to the lucid lounge and go find a topic.It’s about laws of a state in USA(I forgot which one).Then tell me if those laws are normal.And, about that moving.Like everyone can afford moving.Lots of people would like to move to another countries.But it’s not simple as that.Few people like laws of Croatia, but they can’t move because they don’t have the required money or they don’t want to because all of their friends and relatives live there.I mean, no one can tell you what is wrong and right.You gotta have some…idea about that.I mean, if some mad men were ruling a country(that’s the case here :tongue: ) and had some pretty insane laws, no one would consider them right.So…It just doesn’t work.

I also agree that there is no predetermined good and bad. For example, human sacrifice is evil today but for the Aztecs, human sacrifices meant the difference between life and death for everyone. Sure, it was just superstition, but they didn’t know that.
Personally, I’ve never understood why human life is supposed to be more important than that of a rats, but that’s just me.

About the law thing. When some one brakes into my home and I stab him to protect myself… and consequently(?) everyone else, they put me in jail just because I stabbed the bloody burglar.
Well sorry, next time I’ll just let the burglar rob us and maybe fatally injure someone. But nooo, then they’ll call me an accessory of the crime or something like that and I’ll still end up in jail.
:lol:
Best scenario would seem to be to kill the burglar, hack him into small pieces and then make dog food out of him… I couldn’t eat it myself… ooh noo, you never know what disease you might catch :scared:.
:lol:

YES! That’s what I hate.Humans don’t really care about anything else than themselves.So what if animals are not as smart as us?You can’t just take rats and test various venomous…ehh venoms on them.Many people also go hunting, not for food, but for fun.We also don’t care if we are going to endanger animals and ruin their habitats, as long as we have papers and furniture.

EDIT:About that burglar issue; I don’t know about you, but I would never stab the burglar if I had other options.If I saw a burglar in my house; if he had a knife or something, first I would do is try to disarm him, or throw something at him, I don’t know, just to make him unconcious or weak.

well im talking not about laws but about moral. like should you have sex before marriage? should you swear should you do all these things? really you can only do what you feel you should do. if you do what you trully want to do you wont be living a lie. ex. if you go and be a christian but you dont believe in god. your just doing it cause everyone says there is a god and you dont want to burn in hell if there is.
well wouldnt that be wrong. cause your kinda half and half. and 2 halfs of different people dont make 1 person. get what i mean?

There really doesn’t to be much middle ground between eternal bliss and damnation.
I’ve heard about something called purgatory though… that you go through hell for a while and that redeems you, or something like that. I don’t know if it’s something from the bible or from a movie.