DIfferences beween OBE and AP?

well, not exactly solves it but explains why he thinks he doesn’t dream, i just figured it out, he sleeps too deep, i do too, that can decrease your DR, cos you’r mind was too unaware to even let you see annything from the dream

ah of him being unaware of the dream, yeah in that way it explains theproblem partially…

[color=green]Hi Sirius and CranberryDude

This is from the article i gave you:

Are dreams and REM sleep synonymous?
Of people awakened during REM sleep, as many as 70-95% of them report dreams in contrast to 5-10% of awakenings during non-REM sleep. This led neuroscientists (particularly Hobson and McCarley) to assume that REM and dreaming are synonymous and that dreams are meaningless conscious images triggered by signals sent by the brain stem.

The other 5-30% of people werent dreaming. Dont you think this indicates that we dont ALWAYS dream every night? Maybe we skip a few nights and then dream. What do you think?

Sirius you are right. I DO sleep deep :smile:[/color]

i do too, it causes my mind to be too unaware to recognise dreams/allow me to see in my dream so it seems black:p

Jaxal, dreaming has also to do with remembering the dream. If you dont remember, you claim not to have dreamed. In your article, they found more dreams remembered from REM then from nREM. This is logical, since in REM the neurotransmitter acetylcholine is active (in nREM much less). Effects of this activity is increased vividness of dreams and better long term memory.

maybe that neurotransmitter’s broken for me and jaxal:p
or not working good enough as it should be

could that be?

[color=green]Hi sirius and Xetrov

looooooooooooooolllllll Yea sirius. We are broken!! loooooooooooolllll

Xetrov, you are right. IT does has to do with the remembering too. But 5-30% of those people who were woekn IN their REM sleep werent dreaming. So maybe we dont dream EVERY night. Maybe its like, the brain is piling up images or scences. Or maybe the brain must be at a certain level for us to dream. Like the Recycle Bin in your computer. AFter some time it asks you to empty it. What do you think? [/color]

Jaxal, those people did not report dreams. Now that does not equal they did not dream, does it? They merely did not remember any, in spite of all the mechanisms the brain provides to do so. There’s still other influences playing huge roles! One very important one is training yourself to remember dreams every night. 3 years ago I couldn’t do that either, but now I can, without any effort. Although the more effort, the better the DR.

So, no, you guys aren’t broken :razz:… Every person’s head and mind is just different :smile:.

lol, i know, is there an a bit easier way to train it:P
if i try too hard, i can’t fall asleep

[color=green]Hi Xetrov[/color]

[color=green]They were woken FROM their REM sleep. How can a person not remember dreaming? Ok if the REM stage had passed, then if they were woken up and they said ‘no dream’. I could have understood. But these people were IN their REM sleep when they were woken up. Dreams take place in REM stage. Right? If they were dreaming, how bad must their DR must be that they cant remember they were dreaming literally .5 second ago?[/color]

You are correct however you cannot be sure I am incorrect! So, either they did not dream OR they could not remember. We can never be sure! And yes, some people just have extemely horrible dream recall. It’s absolutely not impossible to wake from REM and being unable to remember any dream at all. It even happened to me a few times :razz:.

That said, I believe we always dream, just because my experience shows me that it is a process that is never really turned off, just “overruled” at times, so to speak. HI’s and nREM dreams are already part of the same process, so are “daydreams”. The fact that we dont dream when we are awake is because the waking process takes precedent (stronger signal).

What I read from some books, is that an OBE can be either an astral projection, mental projection, or etheric (real-time) projection. AP is therefore a specific type of OBE.

OK.
A lot of mess in this topic, I didnt read the whole thing, let me explain.

like jeffersonmp says here
some people refer to OBE just as an out of body experience, therefore dreams, APs, etheric projections or any projections are types of OBEs.
But the more common use for the word OBE is not that one.
Ill explain soon.
Dreams are APs, the difference being that instead of watching the public astrals, you are watching your own astral, there are infinite number of astrals and when each person dies, he goes to the one he belongs in, the astrals, as they are the desire worlds, just like in your dreams, everything you imagine, instantly manifests as a reality, so each astral is made of the group consciousness of the people residing it.
AP = LD with the huge difference that you are creating your own private astral and not watching the publics…
It should be noted at this point that the astrals I talked about are not located in different places or something of that sort, its an energy continuum, the higher energy, the more inner higher astral. Astral Projectors can reach in their journeys only to the level they are vibrating, they can not transcend it.
OBE = etheric projection. When in dreams, APs, we travel in our astral body, in an etheric projection, we travel in our etheric body, our energetic body, the one with the chakras if youve been wondering.
In an OBE you are viewing the etheric plane, which is the closest one to the physical, it will actually look just like the physical and you will be able to go and visit all the places you want and actually see whats happening there, but keep in mind, you are not watching the physical plane but the energy plane, which is a very close copy of it.
You might see your physical body when OBEing if youd care to look for it during the disconnection process, it is not dead or anything like that, perfectly healthy, your bodies arent there… so it will be soundly asleep.

Hope this clears up some of the mess.