Doubting!

[VanCarioo]

I know i can get a lucid dream, and i know i will have one someday! …

But whenever i say a mantra, or i think troughout the day: I will have a lucid dream tonight, stuff like doing so … I have this (little) doubt, that: I quite dont think that i will, after all theese time i’ve failed…

I think that is one of my biggest problems right now
How can i get rid of this doubt?

Please !..

[Leeh]

You should forget all you know about it’s being hard, because it’s a LIE.
Understand that it’s all about your decision, it’s YOUR mind, after all.

It’s simple,
All you need to do to have LDs naturally, is to -
a. Be aware, of your feeling (the inside) and environment. (the outside)
b. Truly, question reality.
c. To decide, you need to be sure that you really want this.

Say it RIGHT NOW,
I decide to realize I’m dreaming.

Just relax, and it will happen sooner than you think.

[VanCarioo]

Thx, i just have questions to the answers you made

a). When you say: be aware, do you mean i need to feel how im feeling, how shapes are, how it looks so on, so on?
b) By truly question reality, do you mean, i have to really mean what im asking? (e.g; is this a dream)

Thanks in advance

[Leeh]

Answers~

When you say: be aware, do you mean i need to feel how im feeling, how shapes are, how it looks so on, so on?

Umm… yea, pretty much.
When I say aware, I mean to be at that certain moment.
If you walk a boring walk, use your senses and absorb what surrounds you.
Feel the grass under your shoes and notice the bird that just passed by.
Hush your thoughts of the future and the past, because they don’t really exist.
Focus on what there is.

By truly question reality, do you mean, i have to really mean what im asking? (e.g; is this a dream)

Yes.
Now, that you noticed the bird passing by, ask yourself -
Should it be here? Should I be here? Where am I walking to? Why? Is it a dream?
You never know if it’s all a big false awakening.
That’s where RCs come to the picture,
To really help you to decide if it’s a dream or WL.

Hope it’s more clear.

[Vember]

I’ve heard that when you are really frustrated that the best thing to do is forget about trying for the nonce. I guess a lot of people have their first LD’s after they’ve given up due to being too frustrated exactly like you.

Maybe find some other hobby and come back after you’ve put it out of your mind when it pops back in and you’re optimistic about it again. Optimism is key.

[Mourningstarr]

@Leeh

Answers~

When you say: be aware, do you mean i need to feel how im feeling, how shapes are, how it looks so on, so on?

Umm… yea, pretty much.
When I say aware, I mean to be at that certain moment.
If you walk a boring walk, use your senses and absorb what surrounds you.
Feel the grass under your shoes and notice the bird that just passed by.
Hush your thoughts of the future and the past, because they don’t really exist.
Focus on what there is.

By truly question reality, do you mean, i have to really mean what im asking? (e.g; is this a dream)

Yes.
Now, that you noticed the bird passing by, ask yourself -
Should it be here? Should I be here? Where am I walking to? Why? Is it a dream?
You never know if it’s all a big false awakening.
That’s where RCs come to the picture,
To really help you to decide if it’s a dream or WL.

Hope it’s more clear.

very insightful for your age. thanks to LDs?

[Leeh]

LOL, thanks.
Well, LDs did help.

[VanCarioo]

@Vember

I’ve heard that when you are really frustrated that the best thing to do is forget about trying for the nonce. I guess a lot of people have their first LD’s after they’ve given up due to being too frustrated exactly like you.

Maybe find some other hobby and come back after you’ve put it out of your mind when it pops back in and you’re optimistic about it again. Optimism is key.

Well, i’ve tried that for 4 days … I didnt think about it, pretty much … It didnt make me get a lucid dream … When i finally got into it again, didnt give one either, so i don’t know, if that’s what i have to do

[mattias]

just don’t forget that doubting makes it harder to LD, but it doesn’t make it impossible!

and I agree, nice posts Leeh

[VanCarioo]

Well, mattias…

That is why i was asking for help, because i know doubt makes it slightly harder to have a lucid dream

But i might think i had a really low awareness lucid dream this night, im not sure tho xD … so i guess my doubt will be a minor problem soon

[relV]

I think lots of what Leeh says can be very helpful when applied !

also, kinda counter intuitive, but you might wanna work (in whatever way you feel comfortable) towards letting go of wanting and trying to control… it really just blocks it.

[Vember]

4 days isn’t long enough because you probably did think about it here and there still… especially if you were trying not to think about it… you were still focused on getting a lucid dream at that point

anyway… believe to yourself that what you had last night WAS a low lucid dream and that will help a lot

[Sliph]

like me, you might be trying too hard, take a break and let it happen maybe

[Lucid76092]

Go here!

ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t … r=asc&&sta rt=15

Say thanks to n00dle

page 2 to get rid of doubt, page 1 on how to ld.

n00dle

That slightest doubt is what i call sitting on the grey-line-fence.

Its the condensation of all ‘hazy’ factors leading to either choice A or choice B.

If you are sitting on the greyline fence, you have choices.

You can sit on the fence.
You can step into yard A.
You can step into yard B.

All of those thoughts are process based. Sitting on the fence is a process, stepping into either yard is a process. The process involves whatever actions required to get from fence to A or fence to B, or to maintain balance on the fence. All three examples will fail ultimately, because processes are gradients from one location to another.

In simple terms:

If you want to walk to the shops, you have to perform the process of walking to the shops. you could get hit by a bus, fall and break your leg, etc, infinite variables stopping you from reaching your destination. This is sitting on the greyline fence.

But what if you just walk outside and purely acknowledge the fact that you are at the shops? Suddenly you look around and realise you’re not at home, you’re at the shops.

It’s like reality teleportation. Walking from A to B is a gradient that can be full of failures and problems.
But if you just warp instantaneously from A to B, there is no process, and you realise that you are just at B.

A practical example of this is long distance driving. Next time you go for a mega long drive, you’ll start to get fatigued, and suddenly you’ll go “WHOA, i’m at my destination already”

what you experience there is, the removal of the greyline fence theory. You get in the car expecting a greyline system to occur, but sometimes you just blink and you’re at your destination. That’s the practical acheivement of this state. Now just implement that theory into your subconcious. dont drive from conciousness to subconciousness. Just blink and go ‘wow, i’m there already.’

[Sliph]

I also read something about part of our subconscious called our " Limiting Mind " which is the part that tells us " man you can’t do that, " and " that’ll never work " ( when of course its something you want to do, not something you factually know isn’t going to work like robbing a bank with dixie cups and peanuts and returning the money a week later to claim the reward and turning yourself in )