Hi Snow Jin. Try to be persistent and keep trying with the induction techniques that work well for you. I’m sure soon you’ll have your first real LD. If you’re starting LDing, it’s good to do reality check since it’s the easiest way and doesn’t require any skill. There’s a great article in the knowledge base, ‘‘How to Choose Your Technique’’, that explains the right techniques for different kind of sleepers.
Perhaps not directly a question or an answer, but I just had my second successful WILD of my life. I wrote the details in my Dream Journal
To summarize: I didn’t intend to WILD when it was about to happen, but I realized it was going to happen when I noticed a very strange sort of “progress bar” in my mind.
It said: “Preparing dream…” I was still somewhat aware at the time. I wondered what it meant, had a hunch, and then I got it. Then the mental progress bar changed.
“Transitioning…” And that’s when I felt my body tingling all over and after a while I had a feeling the time was right, and I got out of bed, and found myself in a dream. I realized this when I saw myself sleeping in my bed!
While trying to have a WILD, I always keep counting until images start to appear; but then my mind somehow goes back to my condition at that moment and pay more attention to the way I lie in the bed and such. What should I do?
Hi, Puce. Welcome
I recommend you practice a bit of meditation, it will really help you focus on the images and not let your mind wander.
Thanks for the recommendation. I was going to wake up this night to try it again, but I guess I didn’t.
Is there a meditation technique you would suggest or should I just try any?
I’m also kinda newish to meditation you can simply focus on your breath, or one the blackness behind your eyelids. The important part is to notice when your mind drifts off and gets distracted and gently bring it back to your breathing (or whatever you are focusing on).
With a little practice you’ll notice you will be able to hold your focus a little longer without getting distracted and that when you do get distracted you will notice it much quicker. This makes it a lot easier to focus on WILD!
What I do is I meditate a few minutes every night, already in bed, before going to sleep.
Thanks again, I’ll start tonight.
No problem. and good luck!
When I’m trying not to move, I always have to swallow and yawn. Does that count as moving?
I have tried WILD some times, but it never happens… I have tried counting, but after some time I just realise I haven’t beencounting for a while. It’s pretty common that I get into point where I see what I would probably see if my eyes were open and there were daylight. But I can feel that my eyes are closed and I know that there is dark… I am relaxed and bit numb, but not paralyzed. Then the feeling and sight disappears and I’m just sitting there with my eyes closed. Well, atleast it refreshes… I actually haven’t really tried WILD all the times when encountering this situation, but have been taking short naps…
Also, I have never seen other kinds of hypnagogic images.
So, any suggestions how to convert it into WILD?
I’m sorry that I won’t be able to answer your questions, but I just write because I have a question of my own.
I’ve been continuing meditation, but now I can’t even get to the “image” state.
My problem is that I’m not used to lying on my back and my arms start to go numb after a while. Is it part of the WILD technique or is it because I put them in a way that doesn’t allow blood to travel through my veins? Every time this happened, I moved my arms because I thought I’d rather be safe than sorry, and I lost the progress (if I had any, or course).
Is the numbness because of blood and veins and what should I do?
@ Shaolink: I think it does count as moving, I have that too The best way to avoid it is forget about it, in my experience. The more I try not to do these things the more distracted I am. I believe the attention that gets distracted when you yawn or swallow is more of a problem than the movement itself. I mean if you swallow and think “Oh crap, I swallowed!”. So if you have to swallow just swallow like it’s no problem at all. If your mind is calm and focused (on couting, breathing, images, or whatever) enough you won’t even noticeif these things happen.
Also, with practice this gets better. For the swallowing too you can lie on your side or put another pillow under your head. With your head up a bit you tend to need to swallow less.
@ Flammee: I also have those problems with the counting and images. It gets better with practice. Meditation also helps keep focus so you don’t suddenly realise you aren’t counting anymore. The problem with the images is a bit trickier, for me at least (by images I’m including seeing what you would see if your eyes were open). But what you want to do is focus on them gently. Simply watch, without judging or trying to control them. If they fade, let them fade, but keep watching as more might show up. Many people focus too hard wehen they seeimagery and that’s the best way to screw it up! If you keep watching you’ll get into a dream this way. Every now and then you might want to remind yourself “I’m dreaming” just in case. I’ve watched HI and entered a ND many times
Remember that dreaming happens every night without us being aware, so there’s nothing really we have to do to get into the dream except get out of the way. The conscious mind has to let the unconscious do it’s job. The trick is only to stay aware and not fall asleep.
@ Puce: First, I’m glad you’re giving meditation a chance I really don’t know if this happens with everyone, but when I started it really seemed that the results were backwards! That meditaton was keeping me from LD’ing. But that’s probably just how my silly paranoid conscious mind sees it! (I’m saying that for the image part you haven’t been able to get to…)
WILD doesn’t have to be on the back. Most people do it because you tend to be a bit more awake like that (I fall asleep on my side most of the times ), so whatever position you’re confortable in is ok. The numbness is probably just your body getting really relaxed, so that’s a good thing! Unless you’re letting your arms hang off the bed or something and they get numb just like when you sit on your hand.
Anyway, I hope I could help. Note that I’m far from being good at WILD! 80% of my WILD’s are kind of on accident
Meditation seems to help me concentrate more on the counting, but it might be like learning a musical instrument. Playing the instrument seems easy in the first lesson; then becomes hard for a while, until you get quite used to it; after that is another easy part, in which you’re skilled enough to be able to do what you’re supposed to do; and then it gets harder again because pieces start to be pages long.
This was an example for things getting easier and harder, but I just wanted to give an example to how there are periods in achieving a skill (and failed at the example, I think). I might still be in the first period, in which I think that meditation helps. Or maybe it is just beginner’s luck. Not that I believe in it, but I’ve read The Alchemist and written a report on the connection between the story and beginner’s luck recently. Also since meditation and Buddhism is usually seen together (even though there are many other meditation teachings), and Zen Buddhism has this Shoshin idea (beginner’s mind, in short); that might be the case.
So the position doesn’t matter? I tried yesterday night too, and I had even came to the conclusion that the position wouldn’t matter myself; but when I lied on my side, I lost my concentration more quickly and drifted off to sleep (I don’t remember a dream though). I don’t think that I’ll be able to do it that way. Thanks though, I’ll keep that in mind. And also I’ll remember not to move when I go numb.
Yesterday night, while attempting on my back, I think I might progressed a lot (when compared to my previous situation) . Even though I lost consciousness every time images (or sounds) started to appear, I did remember what I was doing a short time later (before I fell asleep). That ruined all the HIs, but I think I’m doing fine, considering how people say that WILD is one of the hardest methods to have LDs.
I know that still have a long way. It is like I want to go to the US from Australia, and I’ve only taken a step in that direction.
Thanks again, mattias…
No problem and I liked your analogy with playing an instrument, sure makes sense!
I think the position may matter, but in a very personal way. I don’t believe in any “best” position to WILD. I also fall asleep on my side almost every time (not sure if I mentioned that in my previos post…) but all my successful WILD’s have been on my side
What I’ve been trying and having some good results with is I first lie on my back with my arms up above my head. I try to relax and WILD like that. After a while I get a bit tired of that position but instead of giving up I move to the second position which is normal lying on the back with my arms down by my body. I stay there longer. At one point I’ll get the strong urge to roll over, which is only a way for the body to check if the mind is asleep so it can enter SP. Supposedly if you can fight that urge and not move you’ll enter SP and then a LD! But that urge can be VERY strong sometimes (as it is in my case). I always give in and roll over Anyway, instead of giving up I move to position three which is on my side. For some reason after this process I tend to be able to stay more aware on my side! Although I fall asleep many times too but even when I fall asleep I’m able to carry some awareness into the dream and end up having a DILD!
This might just be something you can try sometime later… I see it as something in between WILD’ing on my back and on my side. Since I usually fail at both
Good WILD’ing!
Thanks, I might try that too, maybe it will help.
During afternoon nap today (which I don’t usually take) I tried to have a WILD again (I know that it won’t work, but I also know that I need a tremendous amount of practice, so I try at every chance), and I guess I might’ve come quite close. I don’t remember seeing HI though.
It was just like this: I was on my side and I kept counting “1, I’m dreaming, 2, I’m dreaming…” until I stopped counting (quite a big of a teutology, right?). I think I might’ve lost consciousness then, but I remember being conscious again when I percieved an image like those in WILD-step-by-step tutorials, and I got over-excited. I kept reminding myself that I wasn’t supposed to secrete adrenaline and such, but the image faded.
Maybe I was just lucky or maybe it was just my imagination, I don’t know. I don’t remember having any HI, but the scene seemed real anway. It was like I was looking down to a room, and in the room was just a wooden table with a book on it. The book’s cover looked like the one I’m reading nowadays. I had focused on the book and nothing else. When I “woke up”, my heart was beating and I was already out of (if I was ever in) SP.
I might’ve taken another step to the US
congrats! many people say an afternoon nap is a good time to WILD, I never take naps, so I couldn’t say…
The room with the table was HI. HI can be anything from weak blobs of color to crystal clear images
You’ll get there! And you’ll get used to the process and get less excited
I move around a lot in bed it’s very hard for me to stay still in one possition for a long time… How can i make sure i dont move at all when trying to WILD??? And also instead of counting to distract me, can i sing Beatles songs in my head?
Ok so I just finished trying WILD while taking a nap. My intire body started getting tingly and i couldnt move my teeth or legs or hands. I was waiting to go into HI but i couldnt focus on an image I wanted. I was waiting for one I wanted and I heard some noises but I never went into a dream. I remember feeling like I was spinning in circles and going down a black tunnle into white light, but then i went back to HI. This was my very first attempt ever… What happened!!!
Willpower! Well, kinda. It can be hard not to move sometimes… you’ll get better with practice.
EDIT: Oh, yeah. you can sing beatles, anything that helps keep your mind awake as your body falls asleep
Don’t will an image to come, let it come naturally. Remain passive.
And, also: