I may be back, I may not be. I know some of you want me to leave because you believe I am lying. I am not. For most of you I know this wont matter but I am a christian and the bible and my moral values forbid me from lying. I also think that there is no point in lying over how many LDs you’ve had.
The reason I am leaving is because its not about LDs here anymore. Wherever I go I’m being attacked or ridiculed because of my high level of LDs that I’ve had.
I will continue to lucid dream because it gives me freedom. So if I do come back I wont be bad at LDing.
Im going to continue to be on the computer, my AIm SN is Freecube23, IM me if you want.
Good LDs all, hopefully one day you guys will see that we arent liars and possibly welcome us if we come. I do not know if R3TRO is leaving or not, but I’d assume he is. We talked about it.
I never wanted you to leave. I would just want you to admit that you are lying, or share with us some dreams or generally make it reasonable to believe that you aren’t lying.
First, I can’t see anyone asking you to leave, anywhere.
Second, if there is something I have missed, nobody should ever feel forced to leave this place. Look at the title…it says LD for all! I would believe that means this place is for all. It should take more than one person’s belief to chase somebody away.
I’m really sorry to hear that
I was one of the few who actually believed you
well, good bye if you really want to leave, but I want you to stay
and just to put in, anyone would feel uncomfertable here after what he had to go through, I can’t blame him for wanting to leave after that asault some of you gave him
No one has said that they want you to leave. To be honest, I think your decision is an overreaction. No one attacked you or was abusive to you in anyway. I think lots of people ( including myself) were merely skeptical of your claims and wanted more information from you.
Anyway, we are all sorry to see you leave but, that is your choice. The only person you are hurting is yourself. Clearly, you get enjoyment out of this forum and by leaving you are depriving yourself of that. The forum will continue wether you stay or go.
I certainly don’t want Freecube or others to leave.
Questioning someone about an unusual number of lucid dreams is only normal. I’m sad you wish to leave instead of sharing reasonable information on how those numbers are possible for you.
The world is full of skeptics, and although you may choose to leave LD4all, you are not able to always escape the skeptics that make up this world.
You have an opportunity here to confront these skeptics at your own free will and time. In the “real world” you may not have the freedom to run away or return. You have an opportunity to take time to think and present here reasonable answers. You and all other lucid dreamers are always welcome here.
The history of LD4all has been full of debates and skeptics. It has always included that aspect. I doubt that aspect will ever change. I like to think that we aren’t pushovers here, and we expect testing and proof for hard to believe claims. I hope the information presented here has been tested, tried, and true. We strive to present legitimate information here. I’m very sorry we never got past the “tested” stage.
Freecube just one thing… but a lot of people dont go to the chat… I think it´s impossible to plan out to come if you are there to, since on this forum are people all over the world.
Noone asked you to leave… and if you are telling the truth, then when flee when people ask questions. You know your telling the truth if you are. So why leave because some people think diffrently ( I live in a free country where everybody may express there opinion, I don´t know how about you, but you go on the run for someones opinion???)
Freecube, I’ll miss you. Like everybody said… we didn’t ask you to leave! We were just simply stating the facts and wanted to know if it was true or not. Don’t forget that we’re the explorers too.
However, you don’t have to answer us or convience us with your truth. It’s your freedom. You can have fun here. Maybe there are some people who disagree with you (like lately), but it doesn’t mean that we hate you (diversity… you know). If we did offend you in any ways, I personally am very sorry for this.
You’re always welcome to come back. We certainly will miss you a lot.
It is your choice, im sad to see you go, you and r3tro motivated me to persue LDing again, I owe this month of LDing motivation to you two. I never really thought your LDs were unbelievable until people started talking about it. you might LD that much you may just THINK you have that many. you might count it different from others, if you count it each time you RC you will have ALOT of LDs. normally people count it as “ok LD. and thats a ND then another LD” if you have one long LD you may lose lucidity during it, and do a RC or somthin to enhance lucidity. you might be counting these as LD’s.
To my knowledge getting all worked up about a thread is stupid, its one thread, as I posted there ill post here, I dont think we should be caring about the ammount of lucid dreams we are having, I would rather take ONE vivid one over 100 non vivid. We dont need to show off infront of others (im saying that in general.) we are all Lucid dreamers, our main goal is lucid dreaming. Why care about someone elses ammount of LD’s regaurdless if they are real LD’s or not. The only thing that matters is personally knowing I have LD’s. I have to deal with people not believeing me about LD’s in general at school. I know what it feels like, but I dont throw up my hands and say “ok no one believes me I quit!” I keep going through school and trying to make people believe me. We are all lucid dreamers instead of fighting eachother we should be fighting the population, to make them stop looking at us like we are crazy.
No one is asking you to leave, but it is YOUR choice. You have somthing to lose and yet we have nothing to lose by you leaving. it would be nice to still have you around your contributions to the forum have helped me atleast. Like I said before regaurdless of what other people think you should keep persuing belief. Think of this analogy. you are the concsious mind, the people are the subconscious mind, you have to convince your subconcious that you are infact telling the truth. Remember anything you say to your subconscious it will dwell on, tell it that lucid dreaming is hard and it will be, tell it that you will have 300 a month, and it takes a while but eventually your Subc believes it.
It is true that the “Questions and answers” topic turned into a fistfight, but I think a lot of people still believe you (I do.) Infact I have been using you and R3tro as goals/targets in my LDing. You have contributed much to the LD4all community, and I hope you stay. Please everyone post here, to show how much Freecube is wantad and needed in this forum…
I am very confused. I do not think any of these threads turned into a “fist fight”. In fact I think most everyone did a good job of questioning without attacking. I’ll read the Q &A topic again but, I do not recall anything that was out of line there.
Again, I hope you will reconsider freecube. Noone wants you to leave and there is no reason for you to leave.
Nah, you don’t need to leave. Just understand that the fact of having so much LD’s is extraordinary rare thing, and it’s logical that it calls out some scepticism. I think that the best you can do is either relax a bit and then come back and share your experiences to those who need them. Your experiences can be blessings to others if you start to share more closely how, when, what, etc. Seems that brevity of your answers in those 2 threads was another thing that made some people sceptic.
To conclude: lucid students (that we all are) don’t need just facts, but explanations how they could improve their LD skills. And usually it means explaining things more deeply than just giving brief answers.
Ok so some people think you’re lying. Maybe they are jealous because they don’t have frequent LDs.
If you are lying, so what. If you are lying it is your loss, it doesn’t effect us any. If you are telling the truth thats your gain the rest of us still don’t get anything out if it.
So when it all comes down to it why should you care whether people believe you or not? In life there will always be people who will believe you regardless of lack of evidence and people who will not believe you no matter how much evidence you give.
Only you gain by having the LDs since we do not share them with you, all that really matters is that you know the truth. For those that think you are lying if you are not, just pity them.
I also posted alot of dreams in the chat when people asked.
Thats sad, seeya
